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Lipan Conjuring
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In reference to the track off of Tool's 10000 Days.

I just want to share with you my love for this little 1:11 long track, which for some reason incites an incredible feeling within me since I first heard it when the CD came out. This feeling has lead me to try and understand the origins of this beautiful piece. I found this on Tool's website, it's pretty old. From 2006:

" LIPAN CONJURING ON DISCUSSION FORUMS

I was recently checking out some past discussion forums in which several Tool enthusiasts were attempting to unravel the mysteries of “Lipan Conjuring”, the first segue on “10,000 Days.” Although many found the song “spiritually uplifting” and were willing to leave it at that, some felt compelled to understand the significance of the piece in relation to the rest of the album (those who didn’t just think that it was Danny and a buddy of his tripping out in the desert), with others hoping to have Bill McConnell’s vocalizations translated in order to better understand the subject matter that the chant addresses. Predictably (remember these are hard-core Tool fans), at least one person went the pedagogical route, sending “Lipan” to an anthropologist who specializes in Apache cultures.

After analyzing the song, the anonymous professor said that she was “suspicious” (as to it being a true example of Apachean music, I assume), stating that “there are fewer than two dozen Lipan speakers left, [and] they do not record, or allow to have recorded, their speech, let alone [a] song that is considered to be more sacred than speech…” She also had a problem with the title itself, claiming that “as far as [she] knew, only witches conjure, and it is always an evil thing to do” and therefore no Lipans would ever use a word like “conjure.” To this I would just like to say that, when it comes to things of an esoteric nature, although I know anthropologists like to think that they have penetrated the inner circle of their particular ‘group’, even native American shamans and tribal elders can be, at times. grudging ‘alchemists.’ As for the word “conjure”, I could mention the confusing and seemingly contradictory differences between invoking and evoking a particular trans-mundane intelligence, but perhaps it’s best to keep in mind the Hermetic/Magickal axiom “As Above, So Below”, meaning, as occultist E.E. Rehmus states, that “self and other are one and to draw from the Self is ultimately to draw from the All.” Compare this to what Joel Prepejchal (who recorded “Lipan Conjuring” at Rock Bottom Studios in Makanda, Illinois) had to say about the song in a recent e-mail to me: “There is no denomination or specific entities that are described, this was a prayer meant to invoke the All, transcending religion or individual belief.”

Another anthropologist referred to by the professor said that the “excerpt was beautiful and very evocative (an interesting choice of words in light of what her colleague had to say about the word “conjure”), but was not what [she] would expect from Apachean music.” Besides problems with the musical intervals (repetition of the same phrases and syllables/vocables), according to the anthropologist there is “No harmony in Apachean music or songs.” Also, there was the rhythmic sound of the rattle that, to her, seemed to be produced by something with bells attached (like a tambourine) instead of “the deer hoof rattles that should be heard.” As for this latter inconsistency, Danny told me that he used a “native death rattle” for the song. (Hell, I could have let him use a sample of a deer hoof from my Kurzweil library had I known it was going to be such a major issue.)

With regards to the harmony, it would be my guess that Bill, Joel and Danny were just being innovative, with some of the harmonics or, at least, the sub-harmonics being an artifact of the other instruments and/or studio processing effects involved in the recording. Again, here’s what Joel had to say about “Lipan Conjuring” in an e-mail to me: “The rendition of Calling of the Sprits that you received for the album was only a small portion of a very sacred song that Grandfather* taught to Tom. The piece was used in pipe ceremonies and lodges to call upon the spirits/energies of creation, healing, enlightenment, insight, or whatever the focus might be.” Notice that Joel uses the word “rendition.” In this particular rendition of the song, I honestly don’t know what the focus of the “prayer” might have been, but in reading a bit about Grandfather and Tom (Brown Jr.), perhaps it is to help stave off “The Night of the Red Sky Prophecy” (i.e. ecological meltdown), which might explain the “death rattle” as well as the use of harmony.

* Grandfather refers to “Stalking Wolf”, a Lipan Apache Shaman/elder who taught certain philosophical beliefs and wilderness living skills of his people to Tom Brown Jr. (now, a well-known outdoorsman and wilderness guide).

Bill McConnell is the founder of Past Skills Wilderness School.

Joel Prepejchal can be contacted at www.rockbottomstudios.com

The Lipan Apache were a semi-nomadic tribe that inhabited Northwest and South Texas (Houston and Galveston) in the 18th and 19th centuries, with most now living on the Mescalero Apache reservation in south-central New Mexico. "


I can hum the entire chant, and I do so to my son and it puts him to sleep so well that I can't help but think this song has healing qualities.

One of these days I'll be in front of a campfire tripping on mushrooms, and I will chant this song and then dance around the fire under the moonlight while the coyotes howl in the distance. Mmmm yes. Soon.

Anyway... goodnight.


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Hemp could Save the World.

"There is no flag that is large enough, to hide the shame of a man in cuffs." -Serj Tankian


:mushroomgrow:Know Thyself.:mushroomgrow:

"If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
-Terence Mckenna

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: manyc]
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Isn't Lipan the evil Chinese sorcerer in the classic Kirk Douglas film "Big Trouble in Little China"?


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Maybe.. but it's also another name for the Native American Apache tribe.


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Hemp could Save the World.

"There is no flag that is large enough, to hide the shame of a man in cuffs." -Serj Tankian


:mushroomgrow:Know Thyself.:mushroomgrow:

"If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
-Terence Mckenna

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Quote:
Isn't Lipan the evil Chinese sorcerer in the classic Kirk Douglas film "Big Trouble in Little China"?



Lopan!!! :laugh:


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Good Music

Edited by MrMatthew (04/27/08 09:15 PM)

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: MrMatthew]
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Lopan, thats it.

I haven't seen that movie in years, but I knew it was something like that.

Sorry to jack this thread, kiddies.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: manyc]
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thats like the shittiest song on the cd :lol:

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: manyc]
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well, he inspired me to listen to it, and i must say, it's interesting.

since I'm not a huge tool fan, I don't know the backstory for all their music.

Maybe I should be a bigger tool fan.

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: Madtowntripper]
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a couple friends of mine take survival classes with Tom Brown and they said he told them some stuff about that track, though I forget the details :/

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: Grav]
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And here I thought it was just a filler track...


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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: Jeebies]
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is lipan conjuring the indian chanting song?

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: Jeebies]
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Jeebies said:
well, he inspired me to listen to it, and i must say, it's interesting.

since I'm not a huge tool fan, I don't know the backstory for all their music.

Maybe I should be a bigger tool fan.



NO!!! Dont get me wrong, Tool is a good band, but DONT BECOME A TOOL FAN!!!! (most) Tool fans are so annoying, ALWAYS listening to Tool, Tool, and Tool.... dont do it i beg you! :smile:

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Quote:
is lipan conjuring the indian chanting song?



Yea thats the one


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Good Music

Edited by MrMatthew (04/27/08 09:23 PM)

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: MrMatthew]
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i dont listen to Tool much anymore because i've decided they are too good

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: Atheist]
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It's not really a song. It's more like an intermission... a transitional piece. Tool does it a lot and I love it. In between songs that are so powerful, such intermissions of revision are almost necessary.

These pieces, to me, are just as big a part of the comprehensive masterpiece that is Tool as any of the other songs.

I'm sorry you can't appreciate the simpler things on a Tool album.


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Hemp could Save the World.

"There is no flag that is large enough, to hide the shame of a man in cuffs." -Serj Tankian


:mushroomgrow:Know Thyself.:mushroomgrow:

"If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
-Terence Mckenna

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: MrMatthew]
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i hate that chanting song, i deleted that shit off my ipod

half of the new CD is boring bullshit

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: manyc]
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fuck it

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: manyc]
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Your mom is boring bullshit!

I think after so many albums of heavier music, they were wise to tone it down a bit.. even so, Jambi, The Pot and Rosetta Stoned rock my fuckin socks off. And beyond.


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Hemp could Save the World.

"There is no flag that is large enough, to hide the shame of a man in cuffs." -Serj Tankian


:mushroomgrow:Know Thyself.:mushroomgrow:

"If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
-Terence Mckenna

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: manyc]
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:awesome:


(I'm just playing by the way I love Tool)


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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Hey, it's human nature to think one's opinion is more valid than another. Tis man's folly

But anyway... yes. I love native american chants :laugh:


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Hemp could Save the World.

"There is no flag that is large enough, to hide the shame of a man in cuffs." -Serj Tankian


:mushroomgrow:Know Thyself.:mushroomgrow:

"If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
-Terence Mckenna

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: manyc]
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manyc said:
Hey, it's human nature to think one's opinion is more valid than another. Tis man's folly

But anyway... yes. I love native american chants :laugh:



this is a chill track that puts you in a good headspace when you're tripping, plus why bitch about it when it's not really a serious song, more of an interlude that you need from the tour de force fucking riffs in jambi and vicarious and the epic rosetta stoned.


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now i hear the police comin after me

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Re: Lipan Conjuring [Re: doitagain]
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and at any rate this thread inspired me to listen to the 10,000 days album again since im getting weed delivered in like 10 minutes


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