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Re: What do you belive. [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
guruu said:
When something is widely adopted by the scientific community, in most cases it is safe to assume that the theory is solid and can withstand scrutiny. Especially the Physics theories about the origin of our universe...that stuff isn't being disproved any time soon


I really hope that is sarcasm.


Oh, of course science undergoes radical changes all the time if that's what you mean, although it's usually building upon older theories and revising them instead of replacing them. But could you provide an example of why general scientific consensus shouldn't be trusted?


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: g00ru]
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dark matter.


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: awesomebastard]
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Dark matter is a reason we shouldn't trust science? There's always going to be stuff that we don't understand, but it's amazing how much we can explain. If you need science to understand 100% of the universe before you trust it, you're going to be waiting for a while.


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: g00ru]
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Oh thats not what i meant. What I was implying was that there are so many who dedicate there lives to dark matter and so many that say it exists and why because the universe doesnt make sense without it. there is gravity missing where is it coming from "I don't know make something up" "okay, dark matter".

My point is the universe appears to be moving away from us Doppler effect yada yada. So we assume that we are expanding yada yada big bang. We don't know what the fuck we are talking about when it comes to theoretical physics. (the important questions)

And I know that the big bang and dark matter can be made to fit into formulas and current models of our universe but that doesn't make them right.

Doesn't make them wrong either gurru just something to think about.


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: Psy Baba]
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DuNeRaVeR said:
Why would there still be monkeys around if that was a stage of our evolution?


I don't mean to flame, but that is the most ignorant, retarded argument against evolution. It's not even an argument...it's just ignorance.

Evolution is PROVEN. It is FACT.

You can watch it happen. Bacterial strains can evolve to become resistant to anti-biotics. Rabbits in Australia evolved to be immune to myxomotosis. Insects evolve to be immune to certain pesticides. Evolution is nothing but applied logic.

I agree that scientists do come up with wacky stuff sometimes, but evolution is rock solid. I strongly urge you to do some reading on the subject. If you can recognize that offspring receive traits from their parents, you can recognize evolution.

Why not start with Wikipedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: circularvortex]
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Evolution is PROVEN. It is FACT.

:yesnod:

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Re: What do you belive. [Re: Atheist]
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We have no proof of Jumping genus.


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: Psy Baba]
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Que?


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: MOTH]
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MOTH said:
I believe in Nature.



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Re: What do you belive. [Re: AlteredAgain]
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I belive i will go get another beer.


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: Kada]
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I believe that to be true. :cheers:


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: circularvortex]
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No proof of going from single cell organisms to walking things.

No proof of going from a fishtoadcritter to chickendogmonkey.

That is the part I don't understand.

I can easily agree in adaptation, AKA a species developing a physical change to adapt to its surroundings. But not evolving to entirely different beings.


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: supra]
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supra said:
I don't know what to believe, I was a christian growing up, but after getting more educated, I grew away from that, and can no longer believe. I have missed the good feelings that church gave me, but at the same time I cannot worship a book that is not truth, it is just a book. Here recently I have been going to a Unitarian Universalist church, and I have really been enjoying it so far, if you want to know more stuff about it, check out the wiki.

they do read from the bible, but many other books as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism

peace



sounds a lot like an offshoot of the Unification Church, aka The Mooneys


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: Psy Baba]
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science for sure

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Re: What do you belive. [Re: Psy Baba]
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We're talking adaptations with geographic isolation and thousands to millions of years to evolve. Nobody is saying a new species happens over night.


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: Psy Baba]
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Not the most relevant poll.

1. Religious folk believe a lot of concepts attained through scientific study.
2. I think most religious people believe in the big bang.
3. Science isn't something to be believed in. Science is a method of observation and experimentation, and erronous conlcusions are commonly enough drawn from those observations. Science isn't synonymous truth, which we already have a word for, which is "Truth."

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Re: What do you belive. [Re: circularvortex]
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Eh, I am not concrete either way. I can only go off what experience I have.

My inside feelings tell me that we were created with reason, and that would explain why we(humans) are given higher consciousness.

I was raised Christian and had that pounded in my head for 16 years, then giving a choice what to believe what I want.

From then till now (I am 21) It has been a constant discovery for my own. Gathering Ideas and info from everywhere, and trying to see everyones point of view.

My only concreteness has been a hybrid theory of both sides. So, in my head, there is a god yes. We also can evolve.

I think we were created as a basic homosapien, and evolved from that to what we are today.


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
blewmeanie said:
guruu said:
When something is widely adopted by the scientific community, in most cases it is safe to assume that the theory is solid and can withstand scrutiny. Especially the Physics theories about the origin of our universe...that stuff isn't being disproved any time soon


I really hope that is sarcasm.


Oh, of course science undergoes radical changes all the time if that's what you mean, although it's usually building upon older theories and revising them instead of replacing them. But could you provide an example of why general scientific consensus shouldn't be trusted?


General consensus of any kind should never be trusted. Question everything, because the only universal truth in the universe is that of change. I cant give you one specific reason why "general scientific consensus" shouldnt be trusted, all I can do is encourage you to look at all of the past "general consensuses" (some how that just doesnt sound right, damn English language). Every new theory is built upon casting out the last one.

I remember when Pluto was a planet...lol


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
guruu said:
blewmeanie said:
guruu said:
When something is widely adopted by the scientific community, in most cases it is safe to assume that the theory is solid and can withstand scrutiny. Especially the Physics theories about the origin of our universe...that stuff isn't being disproved any time soon


I really hope that is sarcasm.


Oh, of course science undergoes radical changes all the time if that's what you mean, although it's usually building upon older theories and revising them instead of replacing them. But could you provide an example of why general scientific consensus shouldn't be trusted?


General consensus of any kind should never be trusted. Question everything, because the only universal truth in the universe is that of change. I cant give you one specific reason why "general scientific consensus" shouldnt be trusted, all I can do is encourage you to look at all of the past "general consensuses" (some how that just doesnt sound right, damn English language). Every new theory is built upon casting out the last one.

I remember when Pluto was a planet...lol


exactly what I was trying to get across.


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: Disco Cat]
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Disco Cat said:
Not the most relevant poll.

1. Religious folk believe a lot of concepts attained through scientific study.
2. I think most religious people believe in the big bang.
3. Science isn't something to be believed in. Science is a method of observation and experimentation, and erronous conlcusions are commonly enough drawn from those observations. Science isn't synonymous truth, which we already have a word for, which is "Truth."


:yesnod:

That's why I voted STAL.

Science and religion are not exclusive of each other.  "Believing in  science" without question is no less dogmatic than believing in a religion.


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