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Syrian rue question..
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I was thinking of taking like .5g syrian rue seeds then like 1gram of mushrooms to see how it goes. And i was lookin some stuff up and found this.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois_info2.shtml

And it pretty much tells you not to eat or drink while ingestin MAIOs.

I just ate burger king and now I dont wanna take them until im on an empty stomache... :crankey: Is it ok to drink stuff like coke while using syrian rue?

Anyone think its ok to go ahead and take it, i mean its not much rue...

-sub


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Tradelist
My Ethnobotanical Garden
Cup Greenhouse Tek. Make small sturdy pots (With detachable grenhouse tops) with cups.


Your human friend will have to dose atropine uninformed, I will not spread information that may harm a cat. - Wiccan_Seeker

Edited by sublimistri (09/07/07 10:25 AM)

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: sublimistri]
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coca cola is fine.

your best bet it to wait a few days to get that meat out of your system, no idea how old it is, probably dangerously old.

you mostly have to be worried about what u eat afterwards.

meat is not something that readily digests.

white rice and sweet canned corn are a great meal together and perfectly fine, unripe (yellow, not brown) bananas are ok in moderation, coca cola has never proven any trouble, raisins are an ok snackfood during and after, cucumber slices and italian salad dressing dip are good together and are ok to eat, cottage cheese is good plain (to me) and is very high in protein definitely a good food to eat during this time as well as rice and corn.
if all else fails, you might consider some canned fish. try not to get the pickled kind or herring/mackerel, try to find anchovies or sardines, sardines being the best.

drink plenty of water.

as far as shroomahuasca, I too was thinking about the possibilities of consuming 500mg of harmaline/harmine/tetrahydroharmine salts, and 1.75g of cubes.
sounds like a very interesting adventure. many have sworn that the experience lasts 9-10 hours, and 2 grams of cubes will feel like 6 grams of cubes. maoi's are also said to give direction to an experience.

I'll have to try this when I arrive somewhere its legal to take mushrooms ...

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: CptnGarden]
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Damn. Thanks for the info :congrats:, are most fruits and vegetables good to eat then?

another question should i dose the syrian rue then wait then dose the shrooms.

or should i let the powder shrooms and syrian rue soak in some lemon juice for a while and shoot em down at the same time?


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Tradelist
My Ethnobotanical Garden
Cup Greenhouse Tek. Make small sturdy pots (With detachable grenhouse tops) with cups.


Your human friend will have to dose atropine uninformed, I will not spread information that may harm a cat. - Wiccan_Seeker

Edited by sublimistri (09/07/07 10:42 AM)

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: sublimistri]
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sublimistri said:
Damn. Thanks for the info :congrats:, are most fruits and vegetables good to eat then?


Thats my thought on it too, with most interactions being with aged meats and livers, however its with anything that has to do with age in general.
even dried fruits of various kinds could be bad for you, raisins i have eaten myself on rue, and erowid claims that theres insufficient evidence for them to cause any problems. avocados and overripe bananas can be dangerous though. even raspberries have a mention,
"Raspberries - contain tyramine and small amounts are expected to be safe (McCabe, 1986). "
most fresh fruit is probably ok, apples oranges and bananas.
moderation is key...
veggies seem to be a good area also, with most reports being around beans and their pods, and pickled things.
"Spinach, New Zealand prickly or hot weather - large amounts have resulted in a reaction (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986)."

fresh carrots and celery seem like a decent choice, maybe made into spears and had with your cucumber slices and dip :yesnod:

I also see no mention of baked potatoes being a problem, baked potatoes are GOOD and and GREAT source of ENERGY.
after all that intense purgin' lol

sublimistri said:
another question should i dose the syrian rue then wait then dose the shrooms.

or should i let the powder shrooms and syrian rue soak in some lemon juice for a while and shoot em down at the same time?


soak the shrooms and rue separately, chug the rue 20 mins before you chug the mushroom brew :yesnod:
probably best to swallow the powder with it.

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: CptnGarden]
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Sublimistri:
Quote:
CptnGarden said:

baked potatoes are GOOD and and GREAT source of ENERGY.
after all that intense purgin' lol


Are they that bad on nausea?


CptnGarden said:
probably best to swallow the powder with it.


??


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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: sublimistri]
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if your soaking powdered rue or mushrooms, and your looking for the strongest effects you can get out of either, dont strain it or just drink the juice, gulp the powder thats soaking in it down too.

you probably wont purge from this rue, though nausea will probably be present.

im just giving information of MAOI in general, sorry to scare you lol

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: CptnGarden]
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i was askin because i got a weak stomach :smirk:

but yea straining would be doing too much anyways :thumbup:


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Tradelist
My Ethnobotanical Garden
Cup Greenhouse Tek. Make small sturdy pots (With detachable grenhouse tops) with cups.


Your human friend will have to dose atropine uninformed, I will not spread information that may harm a cat. - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: sublimistri]
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I wouldn't take caffeine (coke) with an MAOI...


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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
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Teotzlcoatl said:
I wouldn't take caffeine (coke) with an MAOI...


I said coke but was really talkin about root beer just said coke for carbonated bevereges. the root beer is caffiene free.


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Tradelist
My Ethnobotanical Garden
Cup Greenhouse Tek. Make small sturdy pots (With detachable grenhouse tops) with cups.


Your human friend will have to dose atropine uninformed, I will not spread information that may harm a cat. - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: sublimistri]
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I'll post my Aya' prep list, but realize its way overboard and you only really need to stay away from all the substances on the list for like 3+ days...unless its stuff like pills and what not....



Ayahuasca MAOI Prep'

Within 2 weeks of and 2 weeks after-
ALL medications and vitamins
Symptathomimetic drugs
Protein bars or extracts
Sumatriptan
Imitrex
Antihistamines
MDMA
Aged Cheese- Bre’, etc.
Amphetamines
Migraine medicines
SSRIs and any other anti-depressants
OTC cold medicines
Ephedrine
Ephedra
Yohimbe
Heterocyclicsand
Nosedrops
tranquilizers
Decongestants
Pseudoephedrine
Diet pills
Sedatives- Sleeping Pills, etc.
Asarone
Nutmeg
Macromerine
Narcotics- Cocaine, Heroin, Methamphetamine, etc.
Allergy medication
Opiates- Opium, Valium, Oxycotton, Hydrocodone
St. Johns Wort
Dextromethorphan
Any other MAO inhibitor; MAOI Anti-depressants- Sertraline (zoloft, etc.
Amoxapine (asendin)
Antihypertensives (high blood pressure medication)
Appetite suppressants
Clomipramine (anafranil)
Cyclobenzaprine (flexeril)
Desipramine (pertofrane)
Doxepin (sinequan)
Fluoxetine (prozac)
Imipramine (tofranil)
Levodopa (dopar, larodopa)
Maprotiline (ludiomil)
Medicine for asthma or other breathing problems
Meperidine (demerol)
Methylphenidate (ritalin)
Nortriptyline (aventyl)
Paroxetine (paxil)
Protriptyline (vivactil)
Selegiline (eldepryl)
Tricyclic antidepressants (amitriptyline, elavil)
Trimipramine (surmontil)

Within 1 week of and 1 week after-
Same as above+
Any tyrosine-containing food
Mescaline
All Beans (including soy!!!) This also includes bean products- like soy sauce, bean dip, etc. No beans!!
Broad (Fava) bean pods ( whatever that is)
Soy Sauce and Miso soup
Avocados
Kombucha
Bananas
Dill
Parsley
Fennel
Protein bars or extracts
Aged cheese
Chocolate
Make sure all food are fresh; spoiled or old food is the main cause of negative reactions.


Within 3 days of and 3 after-
Same as above+
All alcohol
Non-alcoholic brewed (Fermented) beverages (non-alcoholic beer); Kombucha; All other brewed drinks.
Bananas
Chocolate
All Beans (including soy!!!) This also includes bean products- like soy sauce, bean dip, etc. No beans!!
Broad (Fava) bean pods ( whatever that is)
Avocados
Cultured dairy products (buttermilk, yogurt, and sour cream)
Raisins
Red plums
All Caffeine products (Coffee, Black or Oolong Tea, Energy Drinks, Ect.)
All Dairy products
Soy Sauce
Spinach
Figs
Raspberries
Nuts
Cheese
Fish
Ginseng
High Protein Meals
Sausage, Bologna, Pepperoni, Liver and Salami
Sauerkraut
Shrimp
Soups- may have protein, Miso soup can be dangerous.
Yeast (unless baked)
Salt
Sugar
Oil
Fat (Except 30m after ingestion)
Make sure all food are fresh; spoiled or old food is the main cause of negative reactions.





Within 36 hours of and 36 hours after-
Same as above+
No meat or ingestion of any sort of living creature.
Absolute no candy or sugar.
No sex or masturbation.
Take a long bath or shower; Shave your Head, Eye-Brows and Ass; Paint yourself Blue.
Drink nothing but water.
Contemplate the experience.
33-7 hours before- Same as above + No food
3-1 hours before- Same as above + No water or other drink.
5-15m before- Make some fatty MAOI safe soup- Lard, Mushrooms and Chicken. You can also have some potato chips ready, but the soup is best.
Release all bodily waste and fluids.
Shake before use.
Drink Aya’ (over 20m)
Attempt to keep Aya’ down at least 1:00 hour, but induce purge after 1:30-2:00h.
Ingest mint and crystalized ginger (Anti-nausea) after purge.
Smoke cannabis (Anti-nausea) after purge.
Consume the fatty (MAOI safe) food 15-30m after purge to release DMT in bile.
Run around naked and make strange noises.


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"We are the one's we have been waiting for"-Hopi proverb

Edited by Teotzlcoatl (09/07/07 01:25 PM)

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
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I was just gonna eat an apple if i got hungry :smirk:

Most of the time I dont get hungry when im trippin until the ending of it.

"you mostly have to be worried about what u eat afterwards."
Few hours or few days afterwards?


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Tradelist
My Ethnobotanical Garden
Cup Greenhouse Tek. Make small sturdy pots (With detachable grenhouse tops) with cups.


Your human friend will have to dose atropine uninformed, I will not spread information that may harm a cat. - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: sublimistri]
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3 days


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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
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what a load of crap teotz since when is mescaline a precaution for aya? and since when does fat "release DMT into your bile", and whats the point of doing this? proof?

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: CptnGarden]
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Umm...I know both of those things to be true...

Maybe not the mescaline thing...but some MAOI lists say don't do it, so I'm not taking the chance...

The Shamans in south america say dont do it, too...

As for the DMT in bile thing...let me look it up and find you a source...It's supposed to be released by fatty foods...

If I can show you sources for both things....will you change your rating of me cptn?


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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
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Fatty food rules in releasing that bile-bound DMT!!


http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=19864

From the above source...

I've seen it other places too


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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
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From Erowid...

http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=3089

Qoute from Erowid- "I think it is reasonable to be concerned about combining cactus and MAOIs"




I'm about fucking sick of people calling me stupid...


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"We are the one's we have been waiting for"-Hopi proverb

Edited by Teotzlcoatl (09/07/07 01:50 PM)

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
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The point of realesing the DMT from your bile is that it makes your trip harder...

Anyone who has used Aya' I have a qustion for you...after you've taken aya' and you eat...do you find it makes you trip HARDER?


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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
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Fatty food rules in releasing that bile-bound DMT!!


http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=19864

From the above source...

I've seen it other places too

gonna need more than an erowid TRIP REPORT to prove that.
for the future, trip reports arent a scientific source.


From Erowid...

http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=3089

Qoute from Erowid- "I think it is reasonable to be concerned about combining cactus and MAOIs"




I'm about fucking sick of people calling me stupid...


some cactus contain tyramine, mescaline has no interaction with maoi, which is misinformation. how is that not STUPID?

The point of realesing the DMT from your bile is that it makes your trip harder...

oh, ok, proof?

doesnt your body absorb it from the bile anyways? why is it that its fat which pulls it from your bile, and not your bile that pulls it from your food and your body which absorbs it from your bile? (which is why the bile is there) are you saying more gets pulled out of the bile because of fat, and some would be left in there otherwise?
sounds like a myth.

and im not changing your rating, ratings are there for a reason. its a personal opinion, and a lot of people refer to them when reading someones advice, to see if they are giving valid advice out otherwise.
and you, have shown nothing but intensive spamming of usually irrelevant and personal questions, which usually end in you saying something misinformational and getting flamed. many great threads have gone down harder than the titanic because you decided to post in them.

your ignorant, misinformed, careless, time-consuming, annoying, destructive, pestering (like the whole BBB thing), and you have no intention of learning otherwise or getting with the big picture here.

I care for the health of people here, and giving out unsound advice especially in situations that can prove fatal is something im definitely going to put a lot of effort into preventing. you should have been here to see thedudenj in his peak of glory when he would tell everyone to make shrooma-LSDa-datura-cacti-hbwr-crackahuasca

he however got with the big picture, you however have no idea that people are trying to help you instead of hate you but are just completely frustrated.

personally, i tried to help you, but now i wish you would just get banned.

"Anyone who has used Aya' I have a qustion for you...after you've taken aya' and you eat...do you find it makes you trip HARDER? "
here you are asking more of your personal questions in other peoples threads. threadjacker!


sub - sorry about going off-topic, let us know how your experience goes.

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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: CptnGarden]
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I wasn't really saying you had called me stupid...but people act like I'm completely naive sometimes...

I admit I have made some stupid remarks in the past...


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Re: Syrian rue question.. [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
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I care for the health of people here, and giving out unsound advice especially in situations that can prove fatal is something I'm definitely going to put a lot of effort into preventing. you should have been here to see thedudenj in his peak of glory when he would tell everyone to make shrooma-LSDa-datura-cacti-hbwr-crackahuasca



Really?

Wow, nuts....

I too want give people good info and have them be safe...I felt this was a "better safe then sorry" situation...


As for asking the questions about Aya' that was wrong of me...sorry to the original poster...


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