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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: Boom]
#6497751 - 01/25/07 10:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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no, I just pressed reply.. it just seemed everyone kept sayin the same shit "well the police suck for allowing drug use to continue even though they know its happening". Believe me, the dea assesses their victims thoroughly before prosecuting and when theres more to be discovered they hold out for the full bust of all involved.
So in the long run they make a much bigger impact and have a long term cessation of dealing as key drug dealers dont just spawn everyday.. theyre bred through a specific lifestyle that few go through. Theyre rare and they single handedly fuel the majority of all drugs in the region they live in.
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: I2ancid]
#6497777 - 01/25/07 10:18 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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True that.
not just any sucker off the street can decide to buy weight and go into business.
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: I2ancid]
#6497780 - 01/25/07 10:19 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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reminds me of the bust of the 2 main lsd chemists who made 95% of all the lsd in the country... Didn't that have quite an impact on supply? busting some raver who has a couple sheets wouldent stop other benevolent ravers from experiencing the truth now would it?
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: dedjam]
#6497797 - 01/25/07 10:23 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I2ancid - I understand your point, and I can easily lower myself to think like a cop. However if someone is a criminal they need to be arrested (based on our legal system...remember its not about punishment, its about rehabilitation, or so its supposed to be). If the cops need to work their way up the supply chain, they need to find another way to investigate crimes. Leaving such "dangerous criminals" on the streets is rediculus, and its nothing but hypocritical on thier part. Its laziness on the part of the police, because they dont want to take the time to do a real investigation with real evidence. Instead they want to sit back and "watch" from thier cars and "gather" evidence that way....no real detective work, they would have to think, use logic...dont see that one happening.
You obviously have never lived in a crack house in south florida; and without disrespect, id say you don't know a damn thing about snitch culture.
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: I2ancid]
#6498425 - 01/26/07 07:24 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I2ancid said: uh I dont think anyone read my posts except for veggie so ill simplify it for the pot smokers here... no offence.
busting lower end dealers doesent help bust the dealers who supplied the lower end dealers.
However if they did bust the low end street pushers it would cause panick in the high end dealers and thus severing the link they initially had to track and climb up to the higher end dealers.
No they arent just "allowing" drugs to be dealt while they "wait" for whenever its conveinent for them to bust.. theyre following the trail of coke so they can get to the source of the drug.
So stop getting all hissy pissy at the cops for 'letting' your mom become a coke whore.. theyre looking at the big picture....
Wow, I do take offence. One, dont insult my intelligence, in my short years on this plant I guarantee I have accomplished more than you.
Two, just because you are a sheep doesnt mean those that disagree with you are wrong. Sorry I value rights, our constitution and freedom. Sorry I can see the hypocrisy in our laws. Sorry you are too ignorant to understand that concept.
Also, maybe, before you reply again with more worthless drivel and attempts to insult people under the guise of a "no offence" statement, you should work on a little reading comprehension and actually try to understand what has been posted.
BTW...I rarely smoke pot. I was too busy getting my double majored bachelors degree (mathmatics and Comp Sci) when I was 17, and then finishing up my masters when I was 19. I'm not your typical "pot head" or "druggie" - things you might want to take into account before you start slinging insults.
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: dedjam]
#6498660 - 01/26/07 09:45 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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> uh I dont think anyone read my posts except for veggie so ill simplify it for the pot smokers here... no offence.
I happen to read almost all posts in this forum. I also happen to smoke cannabis from time to time. I also happen to be intelligent, motivated, a college graduate, a small business owner, and a constructive member of society volunteering hundreds of hours of my time to community service projects over the years. Your stereotypical view of a "pot smoker" is no better than the KKKs stereotypical view of minorities.
> No they arent just "allowing" drugs to be dealt while they "wait" for whenever its conveinent for them to bust.. theyre following the trail of coke so they can get to the source of the drug.
If the police witness an illegal drug sale, and they do not make an arrest, then they are "allowing" drugs to be dealt. I don't care if they are working, playing, or having sex with animals, the fact remains the same: they both witnessed and allowed an illegal drug sale to proceed without intervention. Twist it all you like, you cannot change this basic fact.
Take drugs out of the picture, if that helps clear the cobwebs. If somebody had a gun on the street and was shooting people in the head while the police sat around "waiting" to gather more evidence, do you think the public would be understanding... that the police weren't just "allowing" this person to go around killing people, they were working!
Sorry, it doesn't fly. If the drug is so dangerous that we have to put people in jail to protect society, then why is it safe to "wait" and allow people to consume the drug while the police gather more evidence, follow the dope trail, etc. It is a blatant double standard.
Finally, everybody, please stop with the personal attacks. If you want to flame, join the rainbow brigade, or whatever it is called. Debate the topic, not the person posting. Thanks.
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: Seuss]
#6511194 - 01/30/07 05:30 AM (17 years, 27 days ago) |
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I think you had a great idea veggie! I'm sure cases like that would be winnable. I bet if you looked into the drug related crimes that occured from the cops unethical tactics, then contacted the victims of those crimes I bet they would be shocked and outraged that the cops let it happen to them.
As for some people saying that it's OK for cops to do this BS... It would be the same thing if they let a contract killer hit his target so that they could bust the main man at the cash pickup. In the end they may get two people on murder charges rather than one person on attempted murder, but it's just plain wrong.
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: fastfred]
#6511353 - 01/30/07 07:13 AM (17 years, 27 days ago) |
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It would be the same thing if they let a contract killer hit his target so that they could bust the main man at the cash pickup. In the end they may get two people on murder charges rather than one person on attempted murder, but it's just plain wrong.
A very good analogy!
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: Seuss]
#6535409 - 02/05/07 11:03 PM (17 years, 21 days ago) |
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Seuss said: > uh I dont think anyone read my posts except for veggie so ill simplify it for the pot smokers here... no offence.
I happen to read almost all posts in this forum. I also happen to smoke cannabis from time to time. I also happen to be intelligent, motivated, a college graduate, a small business owner, and a constructive member of society volunteering hundreds of hours of my time to community service projects over the years. Your stereotypical view of a "pot smoker" is no better than the KKKs stereotypical view of minorities.
> No they arent just "allowing" drugs to be dealt while they "wait" for whenever its conveinent for them to bust.. theyre following the trail of coke so they can get to the source of the drug.
If the police witness an illegal drug sale, and they do not make an arrest, then they are "allowing" drugs to be dealt. I don't care if they are working, playing, or having sex with animals, the fact remains the same: they both witnessed and allowed an illegal drug sale to proceed without intervention. Twist it all you like, you cannot change this basic fact.
Take drugs out of the picture, if that helps clear the cobwebs. If somebody had a gun on the street and was shooting people in the head while the police sat around "waiting" to gather more evidence, do you think the public would be understanding... that the police weren't just "allowing" this person to go around killing people, they were working!
Sorry, it doesn't fly. If the drug is so dangerous that we have to put people in jail to protect society, then why is it safe to "wait" and allow people to consume the drug while the police gather more evidence, follow the dope trail, etc. It is a blatant double standard.
Finally, everybody, please stop with the personal attacks. If you want to flame, join the rainbow brigade, or whatever it is called. Debate the topic, not the person posting. Thanks.
so it's okay to bust the purchaser and not the dealer is what youre saying..
A young 18 year old buys coke from a dealer.. the teen just got into coke out of curiosity and wishes to explore a bit.
According to you the teen is supposed to be locked up and have his life ruined, but since the transaction wasent witnessed by authorities, and thus had a case built upon. The dealer should be ignored and no further investigation should be commited.
The police have a legal system to abide by. They HAVE to have evidence of the crime to prosecute, which takes full investigation to prosecute to the full extent. It isent what you know, its what you can prove.
Sure a cop may KNOW someones dealing but they have to prove it to put them away. Which is why investigations can take so long.
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: I2ancid]
#6535681 - 02/06/07 12:28 AM (17 years, 21 days ago) |
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by the way, I think a person shooting people in a public area isen't going to have a guy whose been causing him to shoot people, aswell as making many others shoot people.
if there was a main guy causing others to shoot people, I'm sure they'de want to detain the guy currently shooting and question him. Then they'de investigate the main guy, then prosecute the main guy under the charge of causing many others to shoot people.
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
Edited by I2ancid (02/06/07 12:30 AM)
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: I2ancid]
#6535891 - 02/06/07 02:26 AM (17 years, 21 days ago) |
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I2ancid said: by the way, I think a person shooting people in a public area isen't going to have a guy whose been causing him to shoot people, aswell as making many others shoot people.
if there was a main guy causing others to shoot people, I'm sure they'de want to detain the guy currently shooting and question him. Then they'de investigate the main guy, then prosecute the main guy under the charge of causing many others to shoot people.
You lost me there... But what is your reasoning that cops should be allowed to let major crimes happen and do nothing about them on the off chance that they might be able to prosecute some other person at a later time?
Weather or not they eventually are able to make a slightly larger bust... what is the reasoning for letting those major crimes happen in the first place?
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: fastfred]
#6536531 - 02/06/07 11:18 AM (17 years, 20 days ago) |
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because the crimes will continue to happen until they sever the main instigations of the crime being commited.. in this case.. get evidence to put away major dealers.
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: I2ancid]
#6538995 - 02/07/07 01:11 AM (17 years, 20 days ago) |
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The crime swill continue to happen until the stop them. You are trying to argue that by allowing crimes to happen that somehow at some later date the total ammount of crime might possibly be reduced.
That is a very weak argument on many grounds, but the main flaw is the reasoning that any number of drug busts can ever reduce the amount of drug use.
By busting each crime as they have a chance they can reduce the total amount of drug crime at that moment by however much they bust. That is to say that stopping deals will reduce the total number of deals happening. But by trying to bust dealers they are accomplishing nothing. They never recover the drugs that they let by in the meantime and when they bust a dealer it really has no effect.
Suppose I wanted an eight-ball of coke... If I found out that my main guy was busted I would simply go to another source. There would be zero reduction in total drugs purchased.
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Re: Major coke bust puts 51 behind bars [FL] [Re: fastfred]
#6541572 - 02/07/07 06:27 PM (17 years, 19 days ago) |
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another source? bullshit... I dont know where you live but around here coke dealers dont just trust anyone and tell everyone theyre selling.
Dealers are a certain type of people and aren't everywhere.. The user isen't supplying the drug so busting him isen't going to stop the source. I cant make it any clearer.
When the user becomes his own source, then maybe dealers will stop bringing in kilo loads.
I'm not just talking about some dude who slings a gram at a time. I'm talking about investigations to DISCOVER who'se bringing in 50 kilo loads into the community. THATS who needs to be busted because THEY supply to all the slingers.
It takes INVESTIGATION to DISCOVER who'se doing that first.
So whose more important? some kid buying an 8ball of blow or the dude hauling 50 kilos every month.
-------------------- I went to st thomas and camped out ontop of the island... Despite my entire family being poor all my life, the land is priceless. I was chased by haitians in the main city charlotte amalie when my girlfriend and I got some cocaine for free in a bar and mixed it with alcohol, to form a stronger drug. With such confidence at 2am, we walked the 4-5 or so miles down to the beach where the african slaves lie like lions waiting on tourist prey. The war isen't on drugs... the war is on the causes that influence people to abuse drugs. drug-abuse is a by-product of the system and much like radioactive waste occurs from utilizing nuclear power, drug addicts with drug-problems will need to be properly disposed of, like the decaying radioactive waste produced from nuclear energy. -i2ancid
Edited by I2ancid (02/07/07 06:30 PM)
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