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contaminants in an wild patch.
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Hello Folks:

When cultivating indoors, we are very concerned with contaminants getting into the cake. But what about wild shrooms. I mean, they Must have many different molds growing around it. In most forests the ground has many many different fungi.

If contaminants are such a concern in a home grow, then why are they not as important as in an outdoor environment?

--Bloc  :muslimprayer:

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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: Bloc]
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because mushrooms can defend themselves from contamination

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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: Bloc]
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In fact, contams are a matter of concern in the wild. Or, to put it differently: the shroom mycelium itself is a contam seen from the viewpoint of other fungi. To put it differently yet again: fungi battle for supremecy in a habitat. Sometimes, the shroom mycelium will win, sometimes some other mushroom will come out on top, sometimes only molds manage to get a good hold of a nice turd, bed of woodchips or pasture and usually, several species of fungi coexist in the same spot. So sometimes a shroom (cubes, libs, cyans, whatever) will come out on top or perform good enough to fruit and sometimes they, well, don't. In that case, you don't find shrooms there. Pretty much explains why not every cow patty in TX is spawning lbs of cubes or copes when conditions are good.

The whole term 'contaminant' implies that there's one specific species that's intended to grow and the others (contaminants) are unwanted. Of course, that's not the way it works in nature. It's just a battle of survival out there.

Hope this helps.

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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: koraks]
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Ah, so basically, if you See a shroom, it won? The other contenders have not gained enough of a foot hold to push out the shroom mycelium?

But what about the problem of mycelium transporting chemicals from other fungi and bacterial toxins around it?

--Bloc  :muslimprayer:

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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: Bloc]
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Indoors you have a very specialized environment, everything is more-or-less "sterile". Its made so you get the mushroom mycelium to take hold due to the optimum conditions. These conditions are also good for your common green mold, which also happens to frequent bread and other grains indoors.

Outside, everything is "stable". This is the backbone of the understanding of Ecosystems. Everything is balanced by other organisms. Molds which you find in your grow chambers can't withstand actual outside conditions due to environmental conditions and competitor organisms. So, yes, when you see a mushroom, its basically "won" the battle amongst the other organisms.

Same reason why you don't find Leopards in Washington state...environment/conditions are not good for them, (and humans would most likely shoot them with high powered rifles...)

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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: Bloc]
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So would it be logical to rip out other varieties of mushrooms next to my Cyans to help them win the battle for supremacy?


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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: sacred_mushroom]
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Fungi play very important roles (note plural) within their ecosystems. Some species will actually help other species by contributing to the creation of specific environmental conditions, such as releasing nutrients from their given substrates.
Removing mushrooms growing in your cyan patch will have little or no effect. The same dynamic which allows your cyans to grow perennially, despite picking, will likely be in play with other species you find growing in the area. The competing mushrooms already have an established mycelial mass below the surface that is coexisting with your cyans and there may or may not be competition occurring between the two.

georgem

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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: georgeM]
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Ah, interesting.

--Bloc  :muslimprayer:

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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: koraks]
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koraks said:
In fact, contams are a matter of concern in the wild. Or, to put it differently: the shroom mycelium itself is a contam seen from the viewpoint of other fungi. To put it differently yet again: fungi battle for supremecy in a habitat. Sometimes, the shroom mycelium will win, sometimes some other mushroom will come out on top, sometimes only molds manage to get a good hold of a nice turd, bed of woodchips or pasture and usually, several species of fungi coexist in the same spot. So sometimes a shroom (cubes, libs, cyans, whatever) will come out on top or perform good enough to fruit and sometimes they, well, don't. In that case, you don't find shrooms there. Pretty much explains why not every cow patty in TX is spawning lbs of cubes or copes when conditions are good.

The whole term 'contaminant' implies that there's one specific species that's intended to grow and the others (contaminants) are unwanted. Of course, that's not the way it works in nature. It's just a battle of survival out there.

Hope this helps.



Great explanation. 

Here is a thread by RogerRabbit, which exemplifies the notion that "contamination" is subjective.

His Sparassis crispa project became contaminated with Psilocybe cubensis! :shocked:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5466797#Post5466797


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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: koraks]
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To me, this seems to sort of contradict what I've read in several other threads. In other threads it says that one shouldn't eat mushrooms that have other fungi growing on the same cake b/c these mushrooms may now be poisoness. Why is this the case? I mean, if you can eat just any pschoactive mushroom you find outdoors (which very likely have a host of other types of fungi growing around them) why then must these precautions be taken indoors? If this is a stupid question, sorry. I'm new at this.


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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: RecockulousShite]
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Contaminations such as molds are also a type of fungi, which colonize substrate as mycellium. It's not a problem if one mushroom is fruiting along side another, and even most indoor contaminations are not harmful to humans... But, they do inhibit the growth of your mushrooms, thus, it is advised you toss any contaminated substrate as soon as it is noticed, because the mold will spread spores and jeopardize your future grows.


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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: CureCat]
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that ans many common householdmolds are infact toxic, such as several bread molds. others are powerful allergens.

another reason to get rid of contaminated cultivations though is the increase of airbourn spores. every time you have a sporulating contaminant in your house, you add more contaminant spores to the air, the walls, the carpet, etc and they liketo hitch rides on the air and airbourn dust. this further propagates contaminants and due to this, many houses are not even suitable for cultivation.


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If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.

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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: canid]
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I live in a tent.

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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: canid]
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Okay, I actually hadn't thought of the fact that it could comprimise future grows before, so thanks for that.

However, what I'm really getting at is that I have read in some places (on threads contained in this site, and other sites) that you shouldn't eat mushrooms harvested from a cake that is contaminated (albiet I realize it is rare that a mushroom would be able to develop at all on said cake) b/c a mushroom from such a cake may be poisoness. Why is this the case? Is it simply the fact that poisoness spores from competing fungi/molds may have landed on said mushrooms? Or is it that the poisoness contams may have in some way infected the mycelium that the mushroom was growing on and caused it to become poisoness? Sorry for the long-ass question, I'm just confused.


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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: RecockulousShite]
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It is argued by some (I have no reference for this) that the mushroom mycelium might transport poisons excreted by a bacterial contam or a mold and concentrate them in the fruits. It's a well-known fact that mushrooms tend to concentrate heavy metals in their fruits, so I suppose this theory isn't very far-fetched at all.

I suppose the effect would be more harmful in cultivated mushrooms because in cultivation conditions, a contaminated cake or casing will typically be contaminated to a relatively large degree by a single (usually poisonous/suspect) contam. Therefore, concentrations of poisonous products of the contam will be high in the mushrooms grown from the cake/casing. In the wild, a more favorable balance is likely to exist, minimizing the concentrations of unwanted compounds in the fruits.

Well, that's what I know/think about it, perhaps someone would want to chime in and provide some feedback?

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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. *DELETED* [Re: koraks]
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Post deleted by dshak66

Reason for deletion: question was answered



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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: dshak66]
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I think this thread has spent enough time here.

Mods- move it to contam and see what RR and CreamCorn have to say?


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Re: contaminants in an wild patch. [Re: CureCat]
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That would be a great idea. I suppose RR and CC are much more knowledgeable on this matter that any of us in the hunting section.

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