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'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die'
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Apparently even Iran treats it's injecting drug users better than the US:

source: http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/40383/

"Give them all dirty needles and let them die." So said TV's Judge Judy (Judy Sheindlin) on a trip to Australia in 1999 when she was asked about allowing people who inject drugs to have access to sterile syringes to prevent the spread of HIV, Hepatitis C and other blood-borne diseases.

This obscene comment might be taken as the ranting of a single public crank if it were not such a disturbing reflection of our federal government's attitude.

This year marks the 25th anniversary of the emergence of the HIV/AIDS epidemic. There has been much feel-good discussion and media coverage about how far the United States has come in the battle against HIV/AIDS. But there has been little discussion of the U.S. government's obstinate refusal to adopt successful methods to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS among people who inject drugs, their partners and children.

This refusal is ostensibly grounded in moral considerations. Government opponents of syringe access programs say that such programs condone drug use. The scientific evidence overwhelmingly shows that such programs do not encourage drug use--they actually save lives by reducing the spread of HIV/AIDS. In the face of this data, one can only conclude that the government's failure to broadly implement such programs is based not on a reluctance to condone "immoral" activity, but on an immoral refusal to save the lives of people who engage in activities of which the government does not approve.

In the United States, 22 percent of HIV infections are caused by the sharing of contaminated syringes. In other industrialized countries that implemented "sterile syringe access" policies early on, the rate of HIV related to shared syringes is much lower: Australia, 4 percent; United Kingdom, 6 percent; Canada 17 percent. Yet the U.S. government remains determinedly opposed to such programs, even going so far as to actively discourage their adoption abroad.

Recently Iran, at the urging of its public health officials, began establishing syringe exchange programs--and expanding access to methadone treatment--to combat its growing HIV/AIDS epidemic. In doing so, Iran joined a growing list of developing countries implementing such programs. While this practical and effective response to a public health crisis, coming from a highly ideological regime that places a priority on enforcement of its moral code, came as a pleasant surprise to HIV/AIDS prevention advocates around the world, it also caused them to wonder how the United States could lag so far behind the rest of the word in implementing this proven HIV/AIDS prevention strategy.

Every medical, scientific and professional body to study the issue has concluded that access to sterile syringes reduces the spread of HIV/AIDS. Organizations which support sterile syringe access include the American Medical Association, the American Public Health Association, the National Academy of Sciences, the National Institutes of Health Consensus Panel and the AIDS Advisory Commissions of the first President Bush and President Clinton. In 2002, Surgeon General David Satcher issued a report to Congress that concluded:

After reviewing all of the research to date, the senior scientists of the Department and I have unanimously agreed that there is conclusive scientific evidence that syringe exchange programs . . . are an effective public health intervention that reduces the transmission of HIV and does not encourage the use of illegal drugs.

The U.S. government's response to this mountain of scientific support? Silence. Inaction. Implicit in that silence and inaction is the sentiment, "Give them all dirty needles and let them die." How else to interpret such a response when all the evidence indicates that with little effort and little money--a clean syringe costs 10 cents, life-time HIV/AIDS care for one person costs $195,000--the U.S. government could be saving thousands of lives and preventing incalculable suffering? Despite the evidence, an explicit ban on the use of federal money for syringe exchange programs remains in place, with the U.S. government having spent not one penny in 25 years on such programs. The United States is the only country in the world with such a ban.

Fortunately, despite federal opposition and inaction, most states have chosen to allow at least some access to sterile syringes. As of 1999 there were more than 160 syringe exchange programs in 39 U.S. states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico. Forty-seven states allow non-prescription sale of syringes in pharmacies. Only one state, New Jersey, has no access whatsoever to clean needles to prevent the spread of disease.

While these programs have been hampered by lack of federal funding and leadership, they have been able to achieve some significant results in cities and states where they have been given support. In New York City, the rate of HIV among injection drug users was cut in half between 1992 and 2002. Such successes are a powerful indication of what could be achieved in terms of HIV/AIDS prevention with federal support and leadership. They are also a devastating indictment of the federal government's refusal to provide that support and leadership.

Some of the coverage marking the 25th year of the epidemic reported on the fear, hysteria and stigma that surrounded the disease in its early years. Those who were diagnosed with HIV lived in terror that friends, loved ones and employers might find out. People, even some medical professionals, feared to touch those diagnosed with the disease. Some religious congregations even expelled HIV-positive congregants. There was talk of putting people with HIV/AIDS in concentration camps. President Reagan, presiding over the early years of the epidemic, refused to even say the word "AIDS" in public until the end of his second term in office.

We pride ourselves that those dark days are long past. But are they? How far have we really come? At least when it comes to preventing HIV/AIDS among people who inject drugs, we have not come very far at all. Our government defies logic and ignores science by refusing to fund an HIV/AIDS prevention strategy that has saved thousand of lives in other countries. Our government turns its back on its most vulnerable citizens refusing to allow them access to a life-saving health intervention. And you can bet that our current president will not be saying the words "syringe exchange" any time soon--if ever.

Twenty-five years into the HIV/AIDS epidemic, the U.S. government's response to preventing HIV/AIDS among people who inject drugs, their partners and children is still "give them all dirty needles and let them die."

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: koppie]
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Further proof that it is not primarily a war on drugs that is raging, but a war over the control of our minds. If it was really about making everything illegal that can cause harm if ingested, practically everything in this world would have to be criminalized.

I own me. The government does not own me. Stop acting like you do.

Live free or die.

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: koppie]
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where do IV drug users usually get their rigs? is there a way to buy that legally? if not, i think that's a crime. i don't think it's our responsibility as taxpayers to provide people with clean needles, but to make it illegal for people to obtain them on their own is just backwards. one thing i don't understand about the situation is that you can always get a bottle of bleach for a couple bucks and 10% bleach solution kills just about anything. there's really no reason to be using dirty needles when it's so cheap and simple to clean them, right?


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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: wilshire]
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You used to be able to buy them at Wal Mart here. No questions asked, if they did you could just tell them you were a diabetic. This was only, maybe 5 years ago or so. I don't know if you still can or not, but you use to be able to get clean rigs at pharmacy stores.........

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: walpur6isknight]
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In many jurisdictions, insulin syringes (which work fine for heroin too) are over the counter, but in others it's by prescription only.

I live in Fort Lauderdale. You need a prescription here to buy syringes, but if I drive north 10 miles to Palm Beach County, I can pick them up OTC.

It's a fucked up world we live in.  :rolleyes:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: wilshire]
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In the UK, you can buy syringes and needs OTC or over the internet, no questions asked.

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: OJK]
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'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' - Judge Judy

I was on Judge Judy (of course I can't explaine who or when, security).

She is meaner than her quote and psychotic, even more so than what you see on TV. She thinks she is God and knows everything before even hearing testimony. She is a royal bitch and her producers are demonic minions straight from hell.

Anyway, a lot of major cities have "Harm Reduction Programs" where even walgreens sells any needle size or gauge, no questions asked - for $0.50 each.

Check you local harm reduction programs and see what is available. I though getting sterial syringes whould be the hardest part until I read they sells syringes legally.


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Edited by fromthemoon (08/21/06 10:30 AM)

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: fromthemoon]
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Quote:
She is meaner than her quote and psychotic, even more so than what you see on TV. She thinks she is God and knows everything before even hearing testimony. She is a royal bitch and her producers are demonic minions straight from hell.



I watched Judge Judy when it was on the only channel we got when camping once. The show isnt that bad, but she is so annoying... She got mad at someone for crossing their arms once o_O

About the topic, I don't think the government should buy needles for them. But the needles should be easily avalable... A heroin addict must be able to afford 0.50$ for a needle...

Edited by Machiavellian (08/21/06 01:09 PM)

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Machiavellian]
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Why charge them?
if you can prevent hiv infections by giving them away whats the problem???
a addict in the suburbs can most likely afford $.50 for a new syringe but the inner city addicts look to that $.50 as money towards their next fix.
give it to them for free damnit same with condoms.
people are getting sick and dying and here we are trying to charge them for being safe.

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Da_Vine]
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ANTS said:
Why charge them?
if you can prevent hiv infections by giving them away whats the problem???




are you serious? The government could prevent boredom by supplying everyone with televisions and X-box360s. But thats one dumb-ass way to run a country. Handouts are for the needy.... not someone needing a drug fix.

Just about everything costs money. Even plastic syringes. Red-cross Donated blood isn't even free if you end up in need of it.

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Edgekrusher]
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Edgekrusher said:
ANTS said:
Why charge them?
if you can prevent hiv infections by giving them away whats the problem???




are you serious? The government could prevent boredom by supplying everyone with televisions and X-box360s. But thats one dumb-ass way to run a country. Handouts are for the needy.... not someone needing a drug fix.

Just about everything costs money. Even plastic syringes. Red-cross Donated blood isn't even free if you end up in need of it.



are you fucking serious?? what the fuck are you doing compairing aids to bordum. its a worldwide epidemic and handing out clean syringes would decline the spread. since your so damn smart you should know that there are such things called funds.

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Da_Vine]
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so how much have you donated to these programs? or are you only cool with saving humanity on someone else's dime?


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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Da_Vine]
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Great thinking!!    You work on the needles, and I'll get funds together for face masks; I swear SARS is on the comeback!

Funds?  Well, I'm smart enough to realize thats just another word for "money."

Just for shits and giggles:  http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Not that it matters.  The economy is very sound despite the national debt, but why would the goverment spend taxes handing out syringes to heroin addicts when its fighting a "war on drugs"?  A war that costs the tax payers over 20 billion dollars a year.  Although it would slow the rate HIV/AIDS virus is spread, it is completely conterproductive to the "war on drugs."

Noone likes federal tax increases.

Perhaps the word you meant was "charity".  Charities are usually private foundations that work towards humanitarian means.  Means that don't benefit any sole individual or political campaign....  These are GREAT; especially when people contribute!!!  But I don't want my government acting as one.

I do believe syringes should be available over the counter though.  But if you're just wanting handouts, move to Canada... I hear they hand out their syringes fully loaded :wink:  Millions of dollars worth in fact.

Is there anyone with a valid argument for the governement handing out syringes?  Perhaps someone from a country with Free Heroin Programs?  I'd love to hear how that works from a first hand account.

Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Edgekrusher]
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whats with the fag sarcasum.
i wasnt trying to debate. i just think we should do whatever we have to do to stop the spread of a disease we have no cure for and is getting worse every year. and you know what your right if we have to charge them 50 cents for a clean syringe than that what we have to do.
just because we can doesnt mean we should is whats wrong with this country.

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Da_Vine]
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Yeah, you obviously weren't trying to debate.......  That would take thinking.

Well start doing it then.  Raise the money.  Because I doubt the goverment will do it for you.  There are wars to worry about.  Something a bit more important than heroin junkies.  If anything they should supply condoms.  Fight HIV from that front.  Atleast it would help on multiple facets.

Despite HIV, Cancer, wars, spontaneous combustion, and all else that may cause death I assure you the world is only gaining in population.  Supplying free needles to shoot up heroin isn't going to save the species by any means.

Don't worry, I'm sure some badass plague or flu will develop that is actually worth worrying about.  Goodluck with the fight against AIDS.  Just don't share needles and be sure to use a condom and you should survive this horrible epidemic  :rolleyes:

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Edgekrusher]
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you talk too much. :eatadick:

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Edgekrusher]
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> Is there anyone with a valid argument for the governement handing out syringes?

Because it costs less to prevent an infection than it does to treat one, perhaps? Though compassion should be more than enough of a reason. There is also a big difference between "the government handing out needles" and "the government not making it illegal to purchase clean needles".

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Don't worry, I'm sure some badass plague or flu will develop that is actually worth worrying about. Goodluck with the fight against AIDS. Just don't share needles and be sure to use a condom and you should survive this horrible epidemic



Ah, the words of youth. As you age, the picture gets bigger... for most of us, at least.


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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: fromthemoon]
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fromthemoon said:
I was on Judge Judy (of course I can't explaine who or when, security).

She is meaner than her quote and psychotic, even more so than what you see on TV. She is a royal bitch and her producers are demonic minions straight from hell.




Let me guess...you lost your case?

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
Because it costs less to prevent an infection than it does to treat one, perhaps? Though compassion should be more than enough of a reason. There is also a big difference between "the government handing out needles" and "the government not making it illegal to purchase clean needles".



I agree, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I'm all for over the counter syringes. I have no problem with the government funding HIV research either. Sorry if my heart doesn't bleed for the individual.

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Re: 'Give Them Dirty Needles and Let Them Die' [Re: Edgekrusher]
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Sorry if my heart doesn't bleed for the individual.

Yeah, fuck those individual little kids born with HIV. Same for every individual hemophiliac who contracted it through medication to treat their disease. For that matter, the hell with all the individual wives who contracted it from their lying, cheating husband.

Man, take a look around you. The reason we live in such a shitty world is because so few people have any sense of empathy or compassion for others.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (08/24/06 06:29 AM)

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