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Smaug

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Orange water around my casing
#5969937 - 08/16/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey all, haven't been around for awhile but I recently gave casing a shot for the first time.
I used Doc's WBS tek, everything seemed to go well until the casing was placed into the fruiting chamber. I didn't use an aluminum pan, I used a wide plastic bowl, which had no drainage holes in it. The casing has been in the fruting chamber for three days, but the bowl has water in the bottom that is now developing an orange color. I did my best to drain out what I could, risking contamination and drilling holes into the bottom of the bowl. Should I call it off or not?
I'm wondering if it is indeed contamination, or perhaps shroom waste? I read somewhere that shroom waste is orange in color, and I'm wondering if that's a possibility before I decide to throw it out. My search hasn't turned up a similar post. Anyone seen this before?
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Smaug

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Re: Orange water around my casing [Re: Smaug]
#5969949 - 08/16/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Still searching the site, I'm thinking it could be a liquid form of what this person has:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5957269/an/0/page/1
I sure hope so!
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Eraserhead
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Re: Orange water around my casing [Re: Smaug]
#5970540 - 08/16/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is there some kind of sweet/apple cider/rotten smell comming from the casing? If so, you have a bacterial contam of some sort growing.
My last casing that did that I found some nice black pin mold growing in as well. It had a nice sweet appely smell to it as well. Mmmmm.
I'm still a Noob BTW
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Smaug

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Re: Orange water around my casing [Re: Smaug]
#5973232 - 08/17/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's no rotten smell that I can detect at this point. I have way too much moisture in my terrarium, that seems apparent to me now. I'm not sure how I can reduce that without just leaving the top open and letting some evaporation take place.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Orange water around my casing [Re: Smaug]
#5973324 - 08/17/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Smaug said: just leaving the top open and letting some evaporation take place.
That is exactly what you need to do. Terrariums are not suitable for cased bulk substrates if you keep them closed up. You need air exchange. The metabolytes can be simply drained out, or left alone. They won't hurt anything. Drilling a hole was a bad idea because now you have fresh air entering under your substrate, which is a pinning trigger. When you pick the flush, be sure to dump the substrate out of the bowl and get the ones on the bottom that are sure to form. RR
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Smaug

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Re: Orange water around my casing [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5974941 - 08/18/06 12:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Argh! Thanks for the heads up. I will check that once I have some growth started. Now, from what I have read, it seems that having holes in the bottom of the casing container is desired for drainage. When you say it's a bad idea, do you mean for this stage in the growth period? They have been in the terrrarium now for 5 days and seem like they should be pinning by now; they seem like they are trying to. I may have a bit of overlay with this one, which I can deal with considering that this is my first casing attempt. Today I totally opened up the top, and now have aluminum foil surrounding the top, slightly curved to keep most airborne contaminants out.
I apologize for not having pics to better describe what I have set up. It's basically a small aquarium with 2 containers holding two separate casings that are in pretty much the same condition. One is a small flat tupperware container, the other is a larger tupperware bowl. The aquarium has a black trash bag surrounding it to limit light to come in through the top. I do believe that next time I'll opt for the single use aluminum pan. This would at least allow me to use drainage holes; I didn't realize how important these might be. I feel my biggest error was my plastic wrap that I had covering the top was dropping water droplets on top of my casings! I should've known better from using a drip shield when I used the PF tek.
The large bowl has a total of 4 jars cased in it, and the small square and more shallow container has only 2 jars. The mycelium looks healthy aside from the orange coloring that remains even after draining the water out, and looks as though it may be developing pins tomorrow or the next day. I'll keep an update here, and thanks for all of your help.
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