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Pot seeds
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How long do they stay viable?

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: distgre1]
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Seeds from the 60s will still grow if stored right (no moisture, dark)


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Re: Pot seeds [Re: Organic]
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Thanks a bunch

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: distgre1]
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They germinated some they found in the pyramids.

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: distgre1]
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amazinggg thanks a bunch

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: distgre1]
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Remember that after about 5 years most of the seeds will die off. some stay viable for 20 years but if your buying the seeds you're better off buying them when you need them.

put it this way. There's a reason companies like Sensi Seeds, Dutch Passion and so on who grow the best seeds on earth test them constantly don't give a guarantee on viability past 2 years.

Storing them in the fridge will make them last longer.


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Re: Pot seeds [Re: Magash]
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Ive seen it done in pound/oz bags, seeds in lb/oz bags in the freezer, and in the fridge

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
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ive germinated a 3-5 year old seed, but thats as far as it does goes for me, i havent gotten ahold of seeds any older than that..

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: C-Dizzle]
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after 20-30 years iv seen 25-50 % germination.

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: Legoulash]
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I've seen 80%+ from seeds from the 60s. They were stored in a plastic baggie inside a cardboard box that was in someone's basement, nothing fancy. The only ones that didn't germinate seemed to be the smaller seeds that usually do not establish well anyway. I would say overall they were slower to sprout than seeds a couple of years old, but the plants were fine.

People grow seeds (non-pot) that are decades, centuries old everyday, you just don't hear about it that much. Pot seeds are not much different if you store them in an arid, dark environment.

BTW, if I were running a seed company, I would say mine expired after a few months, higher customer return rate that way :wink:


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Re: Pot seeds [Re: Organic]
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Organic said:
BTW, if I were running a seed company, I would say mine expired after a few months, higher customer return rate that way :wink:


Damn that's some sneaky marketing shit! Nice.
Probably one of the reasons, but also because they don't want people to get pissed about low germ rates if they store them improperly. Even if it is not the company's fault, people who store a seed in bad conditions for 4 years and then plant it, only to find that (gasp) it doesn't germinate, might blame the company. Bad business and bad for their reputation.

MSL,
matt


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Koala Koolio said:
there should be a 3 month waiting period between registration and posting. :wink:

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: whatever123]
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Very true :thumbup:


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Re: Pot seeds [Re: Organic]
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i would love to see photos of seeds from the 60's germinate(especially 80%) howeveer how would we know thats when they were from? also yes i heard they found cannabis in tombs but that would be impossible to germinate unless it was from within a few years. the reason bodies are so well preserved in the tombs is because of the dry environment. what kills seeds is the interior moisture evaporates. this happens relativly fast in prime environments(2-6 years). you think a seed over 500 years old preserved in low humidity hasnt had there interior moisture evaporated?

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: durban_poison]
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durban_poison said:
i would love to see photos of seeds from the 60's germinate(especially 80%) howeveer how would we know thats when they were from? also yes i heard they found cannabis in tombs but that would be impossible to germinate unless it was from within a few years. the reason bodies are so well preserved in the tombs is because of the dry environment. what kills seeds is the interior moisture evaporates. this happens relativly fast in prime environments(2-6 years). you think a seed over 500 years old preserved in low humidity hasnt had there interior moisture evaporated?


Exactly.


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Re: Pot seeds [Re: durban_poison]
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durban_poison said:
also yes i heard they found cannabis in tombs but that would be impossible to germinate unless it was from within a few years. the reason bodies are so well preserved in the tombs is because of the dry environment. what kills seeds is the interior moisture evaporates. this happens relativly fast in prime environments(2-6 years). you think a seed over 500 years old preserved in low humidity hasnt had there interior moisture evaporated?



That was me that mentioned the tombs, I read it in either high times or CC. Probably High Times. Didn't mean to spread misinformation, my fault folks.

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: durban_poison]
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It is fine to not believe me... but why would I lie? You all might consider where some original landrace stock seeds come from...20-40 year old seeds.

Prime, good seeds, stored SINCE the 60s in the same packaging from the 60s without any disturbance, could not germinate 80%? Come on...you guys need to meet some older growers.

I'll try to get a pic of the seeds up, and the 60s paraphenalia to go with it :wink: It will require a drive to a friend's house though so it may be a day or two.

I don't grow anymore so I won't be showing sprouts, which would prove nothing anyway. This is also over 7 years after I saw them growing before, and they were pulled out of the box and exposed when getting out the seeds.

The ones that would not develop after sprouting would simply form the white stalk and nothing more...the undeveloped seed would fall over and not grow. I might take a hike and throw some in the ground, just for the Ethno Garden's sake...a few of the sativas that sprout may help you believe :smile:

I don't know about 500 year old pot seeds, or any other for that matter--but I do have seeds of another type of plant that are over 150 years old, stored basically the same way as the pot seeds (underground, arid, dark) for all that time, and they germ about 25-40%.


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Re: Pot seeds [Re: Organic]
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Waoh waoh waoh I'm not calling anybody a liar. I'm just saying that what durban said about how a seed lives is right and has been proven many many many times. I have been at it since 1983 non stop. (Thanks for bringing up old growers Organic now I feel like a senior citizen for the rest of the night.)  :wink: 

Now the original land race seeds came from guys like Ben Dronkers owner of Sensi seeds who went and got those seeds from the local growers themselfs in the countries those strains come from.

This pic is from the late 80's sometime. Something tells me old Ben isn't running around in the Afghani outback to much nowadays.  :wink:


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Re: Pot seeds [Re: Magash]
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I dont know, he looks like he's pretty cool with em. They got him holding one of their guns and everything, hahaha.

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Re: Pot seeds [Re: Anonymous]
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Yeah but who know how many of those guys are still alive. Been a little American kick ass since then. Old Ben is getting a little gray nowadays also.  :wink:


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Re: Pot seeds [Re: Magash]
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Hahaha, I know you weren't calling me a liar :smile: I replied to Durban_Poison's statement "i would love to see photos of seeds from the 60's germinate(especially 80%) howeveer how would we know thats when they were from?" Sounded a little skeptical :wink:

That picture is great, thanks for sharing that :thumbup: 83 eh? Before I was born!

I've been lucky enough to accumulate experience and knowledge from some folks doing it until recently since the late 60s! All of their seeds were labelled Skunk #1, Skunk #2, Skunk Lemon, Skunk Redhair, etc...all "Skunk" hehehe. When we grew those out in the mid/late 90s, each variety came out sativa but with different tastes and bud structure--very sharp, thin leaves, and after the seedling stage very vigorous. I wish I had pics to share, but like I said, I will try to plant a seed in a remote spot and grow one out just for specimen purposes and get some pics.

edit: regarding landraces, I was talking about strains that are considered eliminated (or too diluted) out of the breeding realm now...specifically sativas from Central America that I heard have been almost all 'tarnished' by indica for commercial purposes. I admittedly have little experience with the famous seed banks/breeders, but I do have a lot of experience with people that smoked those strains and brought back souvenirs when it was an easier time to do so :smile:


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