Home | Community | Message Board

MushroomCube.com
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Offlineinv3rse
OP-4Warez/0day-warezon Rizon
Male

Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 312
Loc: Denver, CO
Last seen: 3 years, 11 months
Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study
    #5456696 - 03/29/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

PARIS (AFP) - The image of the crucifixion, one of the most powerful emblems of Christianity, may be quite erroneous, according to a study which says there is no evidence to prove Jesus was crucified in this manner.


Around the world, in churches, on the walls of Christian homes, on crucifixes worn as pendants, in innumerable books, paintings and movies, Jesus Christ is seen nailed to the cross by his hands and feet, with his head upwards and arms outstretched.

But a paper published by Britain's prestigious Royal Society of Medicine (RSM) says this image has never been substantiated in fact.

Christ could have been crucified in any one of many ways, all of which would have affected the causes of his death, it says.

"The evidence available demonstrates that people were crucified in different postures and affixed to crosses using a variety of means," said one of the authors, Piers Mitchell of Imperial College London.

"Victims were not necessarily positioned head up and nailed through the feet from front to back, as is the imagery in Christian churches."

The authors do not express any doubt on the act of Jesus' crucifixion itself.

But they note that the few eyewitness descriptions available today of crucifixions in the 1st century AD show the Romans had a broad and cruel imagination.

Their crucifixion methods probably evolved over time and depended on the social status of the victim and on the crime he allegedly committed, says the paper in April's issue of the RSM journal.

The cross could be erected "in any one of a range of orientations", with the victim sometimes head-up, sometimes head-down or in different postures.

Sometimes he was nailed to the cross by his genitals, sometimes the hands and feet were attached to the side of the cross and not the front, or affixed with cords rather than nails.

"If crucified head-up, the victim's weight may also have been supported on a small seat. This was believed to prolong the time it took a man to die," says the study, co-authored by Matthew Masien, also of Imperial College London's medicine faculty.

Crucifixion was widely practised by the Romans to punish criminals and rebels, but if the empire ever circulated instructions for the soldiers who carried out the gruesome task, none has survived today.

Nor is there any detailed account of the method of Jesus' crucifixion in the four Gospels of the Bible (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) which are believed to be near contemporary accounts of the life of Christ.

And only one piece of archaeological evidence has ever been found about a crucifixion, mainly because crucified people were not formally buried but left on a rubbish dump to be eaten by wild dogs and hyenas, say Masien and Mitchell.

This case entails a young Jewish man, whose inscription on an ossuary, found near Giv'at ha-Mivtar in
Israel, suggests his name was probably Yehonanan ben Hagkol.

The clue to his demise comes from an 11.5-centimetre (4.8-inch) iron nail that had been hammered through one of his heels, attaching it to the side of the cross. But there are no signs of any nail holes in the bones of the wrist or the forearm.

Over the past 150 years, there have been at least 10 books and studies to try to understand the physical causes of Jesus' death, and one US attempt, in 2005, even featured a "humane re-enactment" in which volunteers were attached to a cross in safe and temporary way, using gloves and belts.

These explorations have yielded a wide range of hypotheses, from heart failure and pulmonary embolism to asphyxia and shock induced by falling blood pressure.

Excruciating pain endured over the six hours between crucifixion and death, loss of blood, dehydration and the weight of the body on the lungs are cited as contributing factors.

But, the study says, these efforts have all been prejudiced by the automatic assumption, derived from religious images, that Jesus was crucified head-up.

Given the uncertainty as to exactly how he was crucified, the answer may only ever come if some new archaeological evidence or piece of writing emerges from the shadows of the past, it says.

From Yahoo! News


--------------------
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or
insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

"Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a main era - -the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run, but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant."

Hunter S. Thompson.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineflower_child
Dawson
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/13/05
Posts: 677
Last seen: 5 years, 19 days
Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: inv3rse]
    #5492304 - 04/08/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

it doesn't really matter how he was hung on the cross. i'm not trying to diss you anything, but wheather or not he was on there the way we picture him to be doesn't change the fact that he was on there and that he was on there for us.


--------------------
Today while walking up the stairs
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
Oh how I wish he'd stay away


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebarfightlard
tales of theinexpressible
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/29/03 Happy 21st Shroomiversary!
Posts: 8,670
Loc: Canoodia
Last seen: 14 years, 1 month
Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: flower_child]
    #5492352 - 04/08/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Can you provide me with those facts then, please?


--------------------

"What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineflower_child
Dawson
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/13/05
Posts: 677
Last seen: 5 years, 19 days
Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: barfightlard]
    #5492363 - 04/08/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yea. just read that first post that started this thread, or watch A&E or the history channel or read the bible or something. they all say he was real and he was crucified. so yea. and I don't want to start any online fights (because those are stupid) but before you say anything, can you provide me with proof he wasnt?


--------------------
Today while walking up the stairs
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
Oh how I wish he'd stay away


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebarfightlard
tales of theinexpressible
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/29/03 Happy 21st Shroomiversary!
Posts: 8,670
Loc: Canoodia
Last seen: 14 years, 1 month
Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: flower_child]
    #5492430 - 04/08/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They all say it, but they never prove it.

Can you prove I didn't fart 10 minutes ago?

This subject is hardly worth debating over, it doesn't matter anyways.


--------------------

"What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekotik
fuckingsuperhero
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 06/29/04
Posts: 3,531
Last seen: 4 years, 24 days
Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: barfightlard]
    #5492537 - 04/08/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

watch A&E or the history channel or read the bible or something. they all say he was real and he was crucified.




heh.. but you cant disprove that something didnt happen. thats not how it works. And referencing the bible to prove the bible is liking using a word to define itself.

also, its worth noting that not only is there no evidence that jesus was actually crucified at all, but no one wrote about any of this until well after it had taken place, so the "facts" are really not dependable, especially with how much emotion is tied in with something like this,


--------------------
No statements made in any post or message by myself should be construed to mean that I am now, or have ever been, participating in or considering participation in any activities in violation of any local, state, or federal laws. All posts are works of fiction.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemakaveli8x8
Stranger
Male User Gallery
Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 21,636
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: kotik]
    #5494004 - 04/08/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

im not much for religin but i have a question. DId jesus write anything before he was put on the cross. Why was he put on the cross (according to books).

my understanding as of right now is that he wrote the bible and was put on cross because of it?


--------------------
We were sent to hell for eternity :hellfire: Ø:omgawesome:h®
We play on earth to pass the time :foreheadslap:

Over-population the root of all Evil-brings the Elites Closer to the gates.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineiateshaggy
i haxor 360s
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 4,707
Loc: 612 Warf Avenue, next to....
Last seen: 1 month, 9 days
Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5494527 - 04/08/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

jesus did die on the cross. they have known for ever that the crucifix is wrong. it is more accepted as fact that the nails went through his arms and legs not his hands and feet. one of his 12 followers was crucified upside down and another was crucified on an X shaped cross.

contrary to popular belief, jesus was not turned over by jews for blasphemy. the jews had the authority to practice capital punishment hence the "he with out sin" story. Jesus was strung up b/c he had enough followers to start a revolt against the roman occupation. Crucifixion was what romans did to people suspected of acts of treason.

as far as where is the proof goes; the romans kept court transcripts of almost all of this, especially jesus. i'm sure they are with the catholics now so you won't hear about it often. oddly enough, the transcripts for Barabbas don't exist nor any records of p. pilot freeing jewish prisoners for passover. the history books actually tag him for being an asshole who enjoyed killing jews like a first century hitler.


--------------------
You are a filipina sex goddess who wants to fuck me until I fall asleep, so then you can tickle my balls and see if the legend of my diamond filled nutsuck is true.  I am a white man from costa rica, who smells like lime jello.


I can flash/jtag/repair 360's, pm for details.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* The Mystery of the Crucifixion
( 1 2 all )
Silversoul 4,014 35 05/07/07 06:30 PM
by Disco Cat
* Christ Consciousness *DELETED* Gomp 2,653 14 01/26/06 12:41 PM
by MAIA
* Christianity/Catholicism and the like, what's the deal? ToqomS 2,781 14 04/22/06 08:34 AM
by psyillyazul
* Christianity based off of Egyptian Mythology? kaniz 2,133 15 06/05/06 10:16 AM
by MarkostheGnostic
* Jesus the Spiritual Warrior vs Jesus the Sacrificial Lamb Tusa 1,576 17 12/05/10 10:33 PM
by playapez
* Is the Antichrist really that bad??
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 all )
twirlingdervish 10,393 173 11/29/09 03:40 PM
by Life Upon Death
* Christianity before Christ - Jesus, Horus, Krishna, and the sun MAIA 10,393 19 12/19/05 12:32 PM
by MAIA
* Osho on the Cosmic Joke circastes 2,870 12 07/11/11 09:22 PM
by The Whale

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, Shroomism, Rose, Kickle, yogabunny, DividedQuantum
1,394 topic views. 1 members, 2 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.019 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 14 queries.