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Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study
#5456696 - 03/29/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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PARIS (AFP) - The image of the crucifixion, one of the most powerful emblems of Christianity, may be quite erroneous, according to a study which says there is no evidence to prove Jesus was crucified in this manner.
Around the world, in churches, on the walls of Christian homes, on crucifixes worn as pendants, in innumerable books, paintings and movies, Jesus Christ is seen nailed to the cross by his hands and feet, with his head upwards and arms outstretched.
But a paper published by Britain's prestigious Royal Society of Medicine (RSM) says this image has never been substantiated in fact.
Christ could have been crucified in any one of many ways, all of which would have affected the causes of his death, it says.
"The evidence available demonstrates that people were crucified in different postures and affixed to crosses using a variety of means," said one of the authors, Piers Mitchell of Imperial College London.
"Victims were not necessarily positioned head up and nailed through the feet from front to back, as is the imagery in Christian churches."
The authors do not express any doubt on the act of Jesus' crucifixion itself.
But they note that the few eyewitness descriptions available today of crucifixions in the 1st century AD show the Romans had a broad and cruel imagination.
Their crucifixion methods probably evolved over time and depended on the social status of the victim and on the crime he allegedly committed, says the paper in April's issue of the RSM journal.
The cross could be erected "in any one of a range of orientations", with the victim sometimes head-up, sometimes head-down or in different postures.
Sometimes he was nailed to the cross by his genitals, sometimes the hands and feet were attached to the side of the cross and not the front, or affixed with cords rather than nails.
"If crucified head-up, the victim's weight may also have been supported on a small seat. This was believed to prolong the time it took a man to die," says the study, co-authored by Matthew Masien, also of Imperial College London's medicine faculty.
Crucifixion was widely practised by the Romans to punish criminals and rebels, but if the empire ever circulated instructions for the soldiers who carried out the gruesome task, none has survived today.
Nor is there any detailed account of the method of Jesus' crucifixion in the four Gospels of the Bible (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) which are believed to be near contemporary accounts of the life of Christ.
And only one piece of archaeological evidence has ever been found about a crucifixion, mainly because crucified people were not formally buried but left on a rubbish dump to be eaten by wild dogs and hyenas, say Masien and Mitchell.
This case entails a young Jewish man, whose inscription on an ossuary, found near Giv'at ha-Mivtar in Israel, suggests his name was probably Yehonanan ben Hagkol.
The clue to his demise comes from an 11.5-centimetre (4.8-inch) iron nail that had been hammered through one of his heels, attaching it to the side of the cross. But there are no signs of any nail holes in the bones of the wrist or the forearm.
Over the past 150 years, there have been at least 10 books and studies to try to understand the physical causes of Jesus' death, and one US attempt, in 2005, even featured a "humane re-enactment" in which volunteers were attached to a cross in safe and temporary way, using gloves and belts.
These explorations have yielded a wide range of hypotheses, from heart failure and pulmonary embolism to asphyxia and shock induced by falling blood pressure.
Excruciating pain endured over the six hours between crucifixion and death, loss of blood, dehydration and the weight of the body on the lungs are cited as contributing factors.
But, the study says, these efforts have all been prejudiced by the automatic assumption, derived from religious images, that Jesus was crucified head-up.
Given the uncertainty as to exactly how he was crucified, the answer may only ever come if some new archaeological evidence or piece of writing emerges from the shadows of the past, it says.
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Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: inv3rse]
#5492304 - 04/08/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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it doesn't really matter how he was hung on the cross. i'm not trying to diss you anything, but wheather or not he was on there the way we picture him to be doesn't change the fact that he was on there and that he was on there for us.
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Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: flower_child]
#5492352 - 04/08/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you provide me with those facts then, please?
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Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: barfightlard]
#5492363 - 04/08/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea. just read that first post that started this thread, or watch A&E or the history channel or read the bible or something. they all say he was real and he was crucified. so yea. and I don't want to start any online fights (because those are stupid) but before you say anything, can you provide me with proof he wasnt?
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Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: flower_child]
#5492430 - 04/08/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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They all say it, but they never prove it.
Can you prove I didn't fart 10 minutes ago?
This subject is hardly worth debating over, it doesn't matter anyways.
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Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: barfightlard]
#5492537 - 04/08/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
watch A&E or the history channel or read the bible or something. they all say he was real and he was crucified.
heh.. but you cant disprove that something didnt happen. thats not how it works. And referencing the bible to prove the bible is liking using a word to define itself.
also, its worth noting that not only is there no evidence that jesus was actually crucified at all, but no one wrote about any of this until well after it had taken place, so the "facts" are really not dependable, especially with how much emotion is tied in with something like this,
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Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: kotik]
#5494004 - 04/08/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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im not much for religin but i have a question. DId jesus write anything before he was put on the cross. Why was he put on the cross (according to books).
my understanding as of right now is that he wrote the bible and was put on cross because of it?
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Re: Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study [Re: makaveli8x8]
#5494527 - 04/08/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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jesus did die on the cross. they have known for ever that the crucifix is wrong. it is more accepted as fact that the nails went through his arms and legs not his hands and feet. one of his 12 followers was crucified upside down and another was crucified on an X shaped cross.
contrary to popular belief, jesus was not turned over by jews for blasphemy. the jews had the authority to practice capital punishment hence the "he with out sin" story. Jesus was strung up b/c he had enough followers to start a revolt against the roman occupation. Crucifixion was what romans did to people suspected of acts of treason.
as far as where is the proof goes; the romans kept court transcripts of almost all of this, especially jesus. i'm sure they are with the catholics now so you won't hear about it often. oddly enough, the transcripts for Barabbas don't exist nor any records of p. pilot freeing jewish prisoners for passover. the history books actually tag him for being an asshole who enjoyed killing jews like a first century hitler.
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