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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: stefan]
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Are you sure it's Shpongle and not just a sample they used? Shpongle uses a lot of samples in the music that are not created by Simon, but are taken off distributed sample compilations.

I've heard samples they've used in different places before, like the background music on Animal Planet or something.

Some of the lengthily, ethereal melodies you hear in Shpongle's music were not even created by Simon himself, just dubbed over. They fit well, though.

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: TubOlucinogens]
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This is what I think happened.

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: Vvellum]
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don't remember the exact name, but it was something super-lame like 'paradise hotel'.

what I ment was that it surprised me to hear a song in such a 'different' context that usual. kinda sucky surprise :smirk:

I now can only remember the voice sample that starts after half a minute or so in the second track of tales of the inexpressible. Don't know if shpongle took that sample from some record. I'll pay more attention next time seeing it. I don't watch a lot of tv so it can take a while.

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: stefan]
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the people that are accusing spongle of selling out don't even have all the facts but they're very quick to make assumptions and judge. And even if it was indeed an original piece of Simon's music that made it into a commercial, so what? Am i going to stop listening to them? No. Am i going to stop recommending it to people? No. The Beatles, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, and countless others have been featured in commercials but i don't hear people giving them shit so why is shpongle any different? Some people need to just get over themselves.


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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: Dimmy]
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You're completely right Dimmy.

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: Dimmy]
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The Beatles, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, and countless others have been featured in commercials but i don't hear people giving them shit so why is shpongle any different?



They arent different. I think they are sell-outs as well - perhaps not in their days (1960s,70s) but decades after their creative emergence when they were fat and greedy and jaded (or even not in control of licensing).

Do you think John Lennon would ever sell the song "Imagine" to Coca-Cola? Ever wonder why not? I mean, it would be marketing firm's wetdream - Asian kids holding hands with Arab dudes sharing a Coke and smiling in a rainbow  :tongue:

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: stefan]
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You people are viewing this differently then I am. 

I think of it as a GOOD thing. 

This is a way to integrate psychedelia into world consciousness more throughly. 

Say someone hears the music on the commercial.  They MAY be thinking about the product, or they *might* hear the music and say, "Wow, that's some awesome music!" 

Then they might do some research, dig the music more, and buy the album themselves.  Soon they're reading lyrics and wanting to UNDERSTAND what the lyrics mean. 

Soon, you might have people wanting to EXPERIENCE what the lyrics mean. 

Which, in my opinion, is a good thing.  :smile:

And all because Shpongle got its foot in the door with capitalistic world consciousness.

I hope they do more of the same to bring the music mainstream.

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: MOTH]
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I doubt that. I think once creative and counter-culture is assimiliated into the mainstream spectacle machine, it's brilliance is voided. Think of how many psychedelic rock songs and punk songs (very radical stuff back in their time) have been featured on dumb commericals. How do most people react? They either begin to hate the song due to the commerical being played over and over...they consider the artists sell-outs (like myself)...or they go out and buy the product being hocked on the commerical.

If they dont get the music on their own, they wont get it from a commerical.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will start with turning off the tv.

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said:
I doubt that. I think once creative and counter-culture is assimiliated into the mainstream spectacle machine, it's brilliance is voided. Think of how many psychedelic rock songs and punk songs (very radical stuff back in their time) have been featured on dumb commericals. How do most people react? They either begin to hate the song due to the commerical being played over and over...they consider the artists sell-outs (like myself)...or they go out and buy the product being hocked on the commerical.

If they dont get the music on their own, they wont get it from a commerical.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will start with turning off the tv.



I guess I think that psychedelic culture needs to adapt if we really want the change we are always yammering about.  There's a reason wny the BORG in Star Trek were such a successful people...they knew how to adapt.  :smile:

Getting rid of TV to turn people onto issues... How likely is that to happen?  USING TV as a medium to spread correct information...that's much more applicable AND it's happening already.  :smile:

Just my 27 cents!!  :stoned:

Now for some BORG.  :tongue2:

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: MOTH]
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I am happy that Simon Posfords beautiful music will be reaching a new and larger audience too.

What divine properties are attributed to Television which can magically trasform a perfectly good song into an entirely evil one... without changing it at all?

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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SO yeah, I know what you're talking about. THey used a Shpongle track for a sex-hotline commercial. It was tragic.


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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: MOTH]
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but when has this ever been successful? Psychedelic music from the 60s has been all over tv commericals - and to what effect? None. People will not be turned on by some commerical. When have they ever? The music and the culture just gets assimiliated, digested, and spit out & the fat cats cash in.

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: Vvellum]
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Shpongle uses samples from all over the place - This commercial probably juse used a sample that Shpongle used as well


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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: stefan]
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Four pages of drama about something that's not even confirmed. You dont even know what the track is called, you refer to the mexican folk song and to the second track at the same time, when Dorcet perception is the one with the folk song sample, not Star Shpongled Banner. I wouldnt want Shpongle to be used as a marketing tool, but until the commercial is shown or a release from the artist, I dont see why this is even discussed.

Hallucinogen has produced for Gran Turismo, however, a song called Bubble'n'Tweak. He didnt take it off any albums, this was an individual production. Posford is known for encompassing many genres of trance and producing for different audiences, but I highly doubt he'd take off a Shpongle song of an album to use for a commercial.


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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: Fospher]
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I just saw another commercial and it's definitely shpongle, also an other part was used now.
isn't is possible they just used something without asking?

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: stefan]
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Used a copyrighted product on a commercial without consent? Not in this country.


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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: Fospher]
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What if the shpongle music were being used to sell a good product. Like organic foods or hybrid cars or something like that, where it's a good that's produced responsibly as a substitute good for one that is not used responsibility.

Even with Bill Hicks, the problem was that the products being endorsed are so obviously shitty (doritos, etc). I don't see an ethical problem with using your music to sell good things that the world would be better off with if more people used. If shpongle was being used to sell mcdonalds products, that's a lot different then using it to sell gardenburgers.


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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: tomk]
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tomk said:
What if the shpongle music were being used to sell a good product. Like organic foods or hybrid cars or something like that, where it's a good that's produced responsibly as a substitute good for one that is not used responsibility.

Even with Bill Hicks, the problem was that the products being endorsed are so obviously shitty (doritos, etc). I don't see an ethical problem with using your music to sell good things that the world would be better off with if more people used. If shpongle was being used to sell mcdonalds products, that's a lot different then using it to sell gardenburgers.



See, this isnt Led Zeppelin, or the Stones ... Shpongle, not Hallucinogen or Space tribe, is a band thats so far high up there, it would not endorse anything but mind expansion. Plus, even though it has gained popularity as of late, it's still underground as fuck.

@stefan: just read you're in the netherlands. Dont know the legal status of copyright in your country, some countries dont have it. If it's legal to steal music, then it's legal to use it for a commercial.


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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: Fospher]
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I'd be interested in seeing the commercial.

Sometimes, if a band refuses to allow a song to be used for a comercial, the advertisers will write an almost identical song to use instead.


In any case, I don't have a problem w/ Potsford and Raja Ram making a few bucks, if that's what they did. I like the band, I like the message, but making music is a business as well.
They aren't really "underground as fuck" either, and haven't been for several years. If they were, I probably wouldn't know about them.

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Re: just heard a part of a shpongle track in a TV-COMMERCIAL [Re: phi1618]
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>> go outside shroomery and ask an average kid about shpongle. At least in these parts, I've only met 2 people that knew it without me telling them about it.


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