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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
Pris: Harris wasn't shot, was he? I though he was injured by the fragmentation of Vicky's skull while he was standing next to her?


the way that Ruby Ridge started was that horiuchi shot the dog that was with
harris and the weaver boy, in a panic they returned fire in the direction of
the sniper, Lon Horiuchi's spotter was killed by one of the bullets and horiuchi
opened up on the two, shooting kevin harris whom later died from the wound


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Well at least Timothy Mcveigh evened the score. Right wing nut jobs all the way!




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-QuantumMeltdown

Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

Edited by QuantumMeltdown (08/17/05 09:25 PM)

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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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QuantumMeltdown said:
Well at least Timothy Mcveigh evened the score. Right wing nut jobs all the way!



that wasnt the result of amonium nitrate, try finding the seizmology reports for
the day of the Murrah Fed blast, if you can you'll see 5 distinct smaller blast
and one very large one.


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: Prisoner#1]
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-QuantumMeltdown

Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: Prisoner#1]
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From what I've heard/read there were a lot of nearby witnesses who reported several blasts separated enough to tell them apart.

It was also originally reported that the feds found some un-exploded devices inside the building when they first went in...but this story was later retracted and completely denied.


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
QuantumMeltdown said:
Well at least Timothy Mcveigh evened the score. Right wing nut jobs all the way!



that wasnt the result of amonium nitrate, try finding the seizmology reports for
the day of the Murrah Fed blast, if you can you'll see 5 distinct smaller blast
and one very large one.


Okay time to put on the tin foil hat again. If you believe that kind of shit I suggest your check out prisonplanet.com. First of all its not its not amonium nitrate. Amonium Nitrate on its own is not combustible. It was an ANFO mixture of amonium nitrate mixed with methane racing fuel in like 9 or ten barrels. It was detonated with a barrel filled with Tovex sausages that was inturn detonated by a blasting cap. This would make for a series of smaller explosions before the massive one. You guys really believe alot of conspiracy theory bullshit.


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-QuantumMeltdown

Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
From what I've heard/read there were a lot of nearby witnesses who reported several blasts separated enough to tell them apart.

It was also originally reported that the feds found some un-exploded devices inside the building when they first went in...but this story was later retracted and completely denied.


Again complete bullshit.


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-QuantumMeltdown

Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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Using a setup like you (and Tim McVeigh) describe wouldn't result in blasts that are separated by more than a few ms of time.

The detonation speed of Tovex is around 4000 feet per second. The ANFO mix would have detonated within a couple ms of the Tovex detonating.


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
From what I've heard/read there were a lot of nearby witnesses who reported several blasts separated enough to tell them apart.

It was also originally reported that the feds found some un-exploded devices inside the building when they first went in...but this story was later retracted and completely denied.


military experts were interviewed immediately after the blast, all of them
stated the same thing, there was no way the blast was created by a truck load of
amonium nitrate and fuel, seems that even though it wasnt a government holiday
for any department the BATF offices were empty on that particular day.

ever tried parking in front of a federal building for more than 10 minutes?
the ryder truck was left there for 4 hours at the front door


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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QuantumMeltdown said:
trendal said:
From what I've heard/read there were a lot of nearby witnesses who reported several blasts separated enough to tell them apart.

It was also originally reported that the feds found some un-exploded devices inside the building when they first went in...but this story was later retracted and completely denied.


Again complete bullshit.


proof please


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: trendal]
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The eyewitness acounts are not acurate then. Let me guess you guys think the government went through the trouble to blow up one of their own buildings. Just like 9/11 right? *puts on tin foil hat*


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-QuantumMeltdown

Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
QuantumMeltdown said:
trendal said:
From what I've heard/read there were a lot of nearby witnesses who reported several blasts separated enough to tell them apart.

It was also originally reported that the feds found some un-exploded devices inside the building when they first went in...but this story was later retracted and completely denied.


Again complete bullshit.


proof please


Same for you. Wheres the siezmology reports?


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-QuantumMeltdown

Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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QuantumMeltdown said:
The eyewitness acounts are not acurate then. Let me guess you guys think the government went through the trouble to blow up one of their own buildings. Just like 9/11 right? *puts on tin foil hat*


Did I say that?

Because I don't remember saying that...


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
ever tried parking in front of a federal building for more than 10 minutes?
the ryder truck was left there for 4 hours at the front door


Maybe that's why it's different now?


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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QuantumMeltdown said:
Amonium Nitrate on its own is not combustible.



no shit, now please go back and edit out the recipe for terrorism


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: Prisoner#1]
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OMG TERRORIST


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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Oh and by the way, he didn't use a det cap to set it off. McVeigh's testimony was that he used shock tube instead (Primadet).


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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HELLA_TIGHT said:
Prisoner#1 said:
ever tried parking in front of a federal building for more than 10 minutes?
the ryder truck was left there for 4 hours at the front door


Maybe that's why it's different now?


it's been that way for more than 20 years, shit always happens at government
offices, the front is drop off and pick up, parking is reserved for lots and garages.

ask yourself why they demolished the building as soon as they recovered the
bodies and refused to allow any sort of investigation


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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
trendal said:
From what I've heard/read there were a lot of nearby witnesses who reported several blasts separated enough to tell them apart.

It was also originally reported that the feds found some un-exploded devices inside the building when they first went in...but this story was later retracted and completely denied.


military experts were interviewed immediately after the blast, all of them
stated the same thing, there was no way the blast was created by a truck load of
amonium nitrate and fuel, seems that even though it wasnt a government holiday
for any department the BATF offices were empty on that particular day.

ever tried parking in front of a federal building for more than 10 minutes?
the ryder truck was left there for 4 hours at the front door


Dude you don't have your facts straight at all. Show anything credible saying the truck was left there for 4 hours. The truck was actually there for less than ten minutes. He lit the manual ignition while driving it there a block away. A ANFO bomb on that level is definately capable of that kind of damage just look at terrosit bombings in other countries against embassys and the like as an example. I suggest you read the book American Terrorist it will debunk all the conspiracy bullshit you guys are buying into.


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-QuantumMeltdown

Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett

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Re: Obscure US History (Part I): Ruby Ridge [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Because they found my giant LSD factory. MAN. That took a lot of bribes.

/wipes brow

PHEW.


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