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Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD?
    #4081053 - 04/21/05 01:58 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Does anyone know? I'm putting together a website for a class project and I ran into a timeline block, of sorts. I'm moving into where LSD started to reach some other people outside of the medical community, and I'm going to talk about Al Hubbard, but I don't know where he got it from. Was he friends with Humphrey Osmond? Or Abram Hoffer? or what? Where did he get it?


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4081084 - 04/21/05 02:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hubbard got his acid directly from Sandoz. It's been a long time since I've read Jay Steven's incredible book Storming Heaven: LSD And The American Dream, so I can't remember any other details. I remember Steven's account of Hubbard's first trip as being wonderfully inspirational. Hubbard had lots of ties to wealthy and powerful people. After this trip, he felt it was his duty to turn on all of these people. I also remember that he wanted to SHOOT Timothy Leary for attracting too much attention. Here's what erowid says about him.....

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Erowid Character Vaults
Captain Al Hubbard
1901 - Aug 31, 1982
Summary
Alfred M. Hubbard was known as the Johnny Appleseed of LSD. Born in Kentucky, he had angelic visions as a young boy that reportedly guided him in building a radioactive battery which he sold for $75,000 in 1919. During Prohibition, he used his skill with electronics to set up a ship-to-shore communications system in the back of the taxi he drove to help smuggle alcohol into the U.S. and Canada. He was caught and served an 18 month prison sentence. However, his skills had not gone unnoticed. A scout from the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) recruited Hubbard into the OSS.

Captain Hubbard was put to work of shipping heavy armaments from San Diego to Canada prior to the U.S. officially joining WW II ...and eventually faced a congressional investigation. To avoid federal prosecution he moved to Vancouver and became a Canadian citizen. There he founded a charter boat company and became a millionaire in the 1940s. He later received a full presidential pardon (#2676) from President Harry Truman. In 1950, Hubbard experienced another angellic visitation telling him that something important to the future of mankind would soon be coming. When he read about LSD the next year, he knew that was it and immediately sought and acquired LSD, which he tried for himself in 1951.

At various times over the next 20 years, Hubbard reportedly worked for the Canadian Special Services, the U.S. Justice Department, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and according to rumors, may have been involved with the CIA's MK-ULTRA project. He also worked at the Hollywood Hospital with Ross McLean, with psychiatrists Abram Hoffer and Dr. Humphry Osmond, with Myron Stolaroff at the International Federation for Advanced Study in Menlo Park, and with Willis Harman at Stanford Research Institute (SRI) running psychedelic sessions with LSD. How is government positions interacted with his work with LSD is still not known. During those years he introduced more than 6,000 people to LSD--including scientists, politicians, intelligence officials, diplomats, and church figures--and became known as the first "Captain Trips", travelling about with a leather case containing pharmaceutically pure LSD, mescaline, and psilocybin.

"If you don't think it's amazing," said Hubbard, "just go ahead and try it."





Read the Stevens book dude. It'll give you the answers you're looking for. Click the link above. It's very cheap. WELL worth the money.




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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #4081285 - 04/21/05 03:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think I have enough time to get that book =( But I do want to read it.

I found a paragraph on that Al Hubbard page that doesn't make any sense.

"According to Metcalfe, MacLean was also attracted to the fact that Hubbard was Canada's sole licensed importer of Sandoz LSD. "I remember seeing Al on the phone in his living room one day. He was elated because the FDA had just given him IND#1," says one Hubbard confidante upon condition of anonymity."

How does that work? Didn't Osmond and his lab have access to LSD too? That doesn't make any sense. And how would the FDA grant that permission to Canada?


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4081315 - 04/21/05 03:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I definitely don't understand the FDA part, but yeah Humphrey Osmond and his group definitely had access to LSD legally until October 6, 1966.

Hubbard was also big into Uranium somehow, which gave him strong ties to important world leaders, etc.. Wish I could remember more.

Click here to read more about Hubbard.





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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #4081344 - 04/21/05 03:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

acid dreams also has good info and its a good book.
its noteworthy to remember that hubbard was around for all of the lsd lab busts, and kept "samples" of eberything he found. esp the impure stuff for some reason. this dude was playing the govt and soeing the whole way.

they refered to him as CApt. al hubbard


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4081369 - 04/21/05 03:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

its noteworthy to remember that hubbard was around for all of the lsd lab busts, and kept "samples" of eberything he found.




What do you mean? I've never heard this as far as I remember.




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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #4081550 - 04/21/05 04:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

al hubbard, in the late 50's or 60s i cant remember helped bust the orginised crime lsd labs. notoriously impure apparently. thre was a note about him keeping samples of all of the lsd from every labe he busted.

its all in "acid dreams"

good book, in my house somewhere...


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4082151 - 04/21/05 06:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Huh? Are you sure? I can't imagine Hubbard helping to bust an LSD lab. And anyway, LSD was LEGAL until October 6, 1966. Check the book again, dude.




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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: freddurgan]
    #4082178 - 04/21/05 06:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.galenet.com/servlet/OVRC?vrsn...0&bConts=91

Username: mont16942
Password: Mont16942

-good resource, courtesy of my old school  :wink:

http://www.levity.com/aciddreams/samples/capthubbard.html might have what your looking for.


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #4082478 - 04/21/05 08:35 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

After 66 Hubbard did help with LSD busts. I don't know if it was in an informant context or as a advisor for checking out the labs after they were raided.
Hubbard didn't like the counterculture at all at the time. He saw them as
just abusing his sacred LSD. I'll look up the source and quotes in a little bit.
I think as years progressed he did come to an understanding of what the counterculture was about. But in the begining he didn't support it at all.

As for the original question he used Sandoz LSD. :sun:


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: chinacat72]
    #4082511 - 04/21/05 08:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Page 199 of Acid Dreams talks of his involvement.

"As a special agent for the FDA in the early sixties .He led
the first raids on underground acid labs, and a number of rebel chemists
were arrested becuase of his detective work".

Personaly I don't look down on the man for this. He thought that they were mafia labs out to make a quick buck. He was also sickened by the purity.
Sounds like he wasn't in contact with the ethical counterculture labs by the
likes of Bear and BEL.


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: chinacat72]
    #4082642 - 04/21/05 09:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

AL Hubbard was a pretty interesting character. Him and his carbogen.


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #4082748 - 04/21/05 09:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well I'll be damned. I stand corrected. I knew he was passionate about LSD and wanted to keep it low key, but I don't know what to think about this. No, fuck him.





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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #4082787 - 04/21/05 10:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #4082834 - 04/21/05 10:19 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I think thats pretty scummy on his part to get people busted regardless of its the mob or not for something that he supposedly felt so passionate about. Yes they were out to make a quick(If there is anything quick or easy about synthing LSD) buck but that is the nature of the ILLEGAL black market and also unless theses labs were knowlingly releasing product with harmfull impurities then who cares if it wasn't 99% pure or whatever. Anyways it doesn't sound like the acid "enlightened" him any because even crack heads know snitches get stitches.


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #4082849 - 04/21/05 10:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I feel kind of conflicted about him. As part of the counterculture I
passionatly dislike anyone who goes agianst it. On the other hand I realize
Hubbard wasn't part of the counterculture. He was a goverment man. Like the CIA
he turned on alot of people. Some very important people got there first taste of LSD from the goverment(ie Kesey,Hunter,ext) and Hubbard. In the cosmic dance of LSD we are all  tools and puppets. Some of those puppets were lab coated CIA funded doctors dosing people and others were light driven hippies making doses in between the Redwoods. In the end it's the LSD that counts not the people who brought it to the masses. That said if I was looking for a hero in the LSD world it would be Bear or Sand. Someone who went against the status-quo
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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: chinacat72]
    #4082882 - 04/21/05 10:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know, that's pretty messed up. I can't really forgive anyone who does that, whether they be in the counter culture or not. And the fact that this guy knew how great LSD was but took it upon himself to help bust other guys because he felt they weren't using it correctly makes me even sicker.





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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #4082906 - 04/21/05 10:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Me too....."the degradation of mankind"....words cannot express my utter rage at those words. LSD is helping mankind, not hurt it, fuck the authorities..they're the ones degrading mankind.


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #4082932 - 04/21/05 10:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I think he was more interested in playing the "spy" game then LSD.
It would be interesting to see the sources Acid Dreams used for this info.
I would be interested in see'ing which LSD labs be helped bust.
It's not like there were a ton of them to bust.
Bears was the first major underground one to get popped. It would be sickening if he helped bust Bear. I might be compelled to unrinate on his grave then.


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Re: Acid History Question : Where did Al Hubbard get his LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #4082945 - 04/21/05 10:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not going to judge because I don't know what motivated his actions but I can see where you are coming from. But I'll give him some credit for trying to oust the impure product. Leary himself hated the idea of pour quality lsd going around and even took congress on trying to keep it legal for that and other reasons.


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