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Anyone ever make dmt the honey oil method w/ butane?
    #3784430 - 02/15/05 06:35 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the info.


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Re: Anyone ever make dmt the honey oil method w/ butane? [Re: Rudiger420]
    #3784559 - 02/15/05 06:56 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Won't work, I have extracted DMT several times in large amounts and there is no way you'll get anything resembling crystals or DMT with the way you make honey oil with butane. It is an acid/base extraction, so the butane wouldn't even pull the DMT out unless you could turn it into the freebase(HCl is not soluble in non-polar solvents but it is in water). Plus you have to defat it well or even then you'll only get goo, that is really harsh. It is not too difficult to extract and materials are easy to acquire. Just read up... Hope this helps!


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Re: Anyone ever make dmt the honey oil method w/ butane? [Re: PissyBee]
    #3784730 - 02/15/05 07:27 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

right, I'm pretty sure the DMT exists as a free base within the plant material though, which is why you soak the material in acid, to convert it into a salt.


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Re: Anyone ever make dmt the honey oil method w/ butane? [Re: gdman]
    #3784840 - 02/15/05 07:46 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think he's concerned about the defat with this method, sounds like he plans to hotknife it, or smoke it on paper or weed. I'd suggest putting the oil on a piece of paper (if this extraction actually works). With weed it will take too long to smoke and if you hotknife it you'll still have hot knives in your hands when you take off.


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Re: Anyone ever make dmt the honey oil method w/ butane? [Re: Wysefool]
    #3784913 - 02/15/05 08:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"Anything worth doing is worth doing right."


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Re: Anyone ever make dmt the honey oil method w/ butane? [Re: gdman]
    #3784960 - 02/15/05 08:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm saying it won't work... You need to add acidic water to pull the dmt out of the bark, you need to basify, then add non-polar solvent(naphtha works good) and agitate, then separate and evap the solvent. That'll leave you a nasty goo(without the defat) that is extremely harsh and will only get you high, will not really break you through, if that. Defatting isn't that tough and I've found xylene is the best solvent for defatting, 2 defats with xylene, last one with naphtha or the solvent you're pulling the alks out with. Naphtha is good because it's more selective then many other aromatic solvents. I could explain more details, but the simple answer is you won't get smokable dmt with this method... Better off trying ayahuasca if you want an easier wy to experience DMT, although the extraction isn't all that hard.


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Re: Anyone ever make dmt the honey oil method w/ butane? [Re: gdman]
    #3786510 - 02/16/05 12:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I second the notion "anything worth doing is worth doing right."

In this case, this isn't right way to do it.


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Re: Anyone ever make dmt the honey oil method w/ butane? [Re: PissyBee]
    #3788581 - 02/16/05 11:16 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think making a quality batch of ayahuasca is more difficult to perfect than the A/B extraction (to which there are many step-by-step guides that a complete chemistry neophyte could pull off) that renders (semi-)pure DMT crystals. 

Check out QT's Extraction for Students for your first run around the mill.  :crazy2:


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