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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefExtreme said:
i thiught it required an alcohol extraction.  like i say im really not a upper dude.  never looked into it.  ive propagated the shit out of them though.  they sell like hotcakes these days.


Chewing down the sticks never did really much for me, and I've grown several species. The berries are pretty.

I had a speed freak phase and tried to find a substitute when it became clear it had to be a phase. Ephedra extracts kept me wide awake, not talkative, not energetic, no euphoria. Just very awake. Came to really dislike them. Like, the people on speed and MDMA have passed out hours ago, and you're just sitting there with this sleep deprivation buzz in your ears.

Pro tip: 250 grams of cactus is going to keep you awake too. But you're everyone's best friend, could definitely dance for many hours, chatter like a finch, could eat like a horse and your libido is intact.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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Thats wild.  Interesting.  Ive always found acid to be speedy enough for me.  If ive got a job to get done.  Once mowed down like 2 acres of trees and chipped it all, churp.  100% alone.  All on acid.  Never got a scratch on me.  Never stubled.  Never was my blade dull.  Acid for work. One of the
Best weeks of my life out there.  They say happiness isnt real unless its shared.  Bullshit. 


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Just the thought of working on acid scares the shit out of me, lol.

Yeah acid is speedy enough for me too. But my wife gets a lot of noise on the tail end of acid trips. You know, the weird loops and flashes and super irrational intrusive thoughts. So we try to keep the acid for occasions where there's enough distraction for her to go on until she drops.

Also, after so many years I don't need that speed energy anymore. I can dance for eight or ten hours on acid or cactus (or shorter on 2C-D or shrooms) and have a blast. But when we were about 20 we always tried to short-circuit everything as fast as possible and play nurse on each other. Feel a bit slow? Here's some M and a line. Have some DXM. Take a bong rip to help with the tweeqiness. Here's a blotter. Etc. If you try to play that game without some strong uppers you're going home early.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 4
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You know, something I've been thinking about a lot lately is how different my relationship to sleep is in middle age as compared to my youth.

I haven't set a wake-up alarm for myself in years. Going to sleep and staying asleep is very much a decision. By contrast, I missed a rugby match in college because I accidentally set my alarm for PM rather than AM, and also slept through the phone calls made to ask where the fuck I was.

Weed used to absolutely ring my bell in the past. Now, even with a good long tolerance break, it's just like "oh, fuck, I'm stoned. Could still drive for 8 hours if I had to, though."


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] * 4
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Same.  4am, Im up. No matter what day or what I did the day before. No alarm needed. I know what time it is in my sleep.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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BeefExtreme said:
Same.  4am, Im up. No matter what day or what I did the day before. No alarm needed. I know what time it is in my sleep.


I'm glad I'm not the only one. When I go to bed doesn't really matter either. Maybe it'll adjust it either way by an hour tops.

It's really changed the way I work because being rested is a huge part of my job.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] * 1
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B Traven said:
You know, something I've been thinking about a lot lately is how different my relationship to sleep is in middle age as compared to my youth.

I haven't set a wake-up alarm for myself in years. Going to sleep and staying asleep is very much a decision. By contrast, I missed a rugby match in college because I accidentally set my alarm for PM rather than AM, and also slept through the phone calls made to ask where the fuck I was.

Weed used to absolutely ring my bell in the past. Now, even with a good long tolerance break, it's just like "oh, fuck, I'm stoned. Could still drive for 8 hours if I had to, though."


B Traven said:
You know, something I've been thinking about a lot lately is how different my relationship to sleep is in middle age as compared to my youth.

I haven't set a wake-up alarm for myself in years. Going to sleep and staying asleep is very much a decision. By contrast, I missed a rugby match in college because I accidentally set my alarm for PM rather than AM, and also slept through the phone calls made to ask where the fuck I was.

Weed used to absolutely ring my bell in the past. Now, even with a good long tolerance break, it's just like "oh, fuck, I'm stoned. Could still drive for 8 hours if I had to, though."


With kids, my internal alarm has been reset to 06:45. Every day. I can choose to sleep again after that, but it's quarter and half hour bits.

I've had very serious sleeping issues in the time a good friend killed himself / ex and I were going through a divorce. Ever since, I sleep more and need it more. And get way groggier after a shitty night.

When we were younger, we'd go out on a Thursday, arrive home somewhere on Sunday, with 60-70 hrs of no sleeping, barely eating etc. And go to work on Monday, bit hungover, manually lifting 15-20 K kg/day, till Thursday, and start the cycle again.

If I would try that now, I would totally crash out on Friday evening, crawl home and sleep the entire weekend. Like we skipped a night on Ozora Festival last year and needed two days to recover.

It's ok not to feel a burning urge to have sex fifteen times a day, but for the rest getting older sucks.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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Yeah, I wish I could sleep in.  Coffee/mushroom alarm wakes me up when the sun comes up :sad:

Also cranky neck and back alarm :crankey:


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I'd make a deal with God
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 3
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BeefExtreme said:
pretty sure kratom almost killed me.  that shit sucks.


**Brace yourselves, potentially controversial opinion coming - trust me when I say I speak with authority on this subject **

Fwiw, based on my training and knowledge of pharmacology,  Kratom, and the alkaloids found therein, due to their affinity for opioid mu receptors (among other pharmacological effects), is every bit as dangerous as any other opiate in terms of potential for the development of dependence and all other dangers of opiates.  While the compounds in Kratom do have additional effects, Anyone/thing who tells you different is MARKETING. Nothing more.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Nokumana] * 4
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Let me clarify a lil' bit. Kratom is so unregulated, for the most part, and yet has so many frankly opiate effects, as to pose, in my opinion, a huge public health risk. It lacks the potency of, say, Fentanyl, but has the potential to be every bit as dangerous as something like Oxy, in that it will inevitably lead down the same road due to its opioid receptor agonism. Kratom scares me because it's like a loaded gun that has been tossed into the community with very little care for how potentially dangerous it is. I have personally lost people to Kratom, and have known many friends and patients who are dependent on it, and for whom it has served as a snare into the greater world of opioid addiction.

I agree with Beef. It's a bad thing.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Nokumana] * 3
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I think I'm going to take a break from growing pan cyans, I feel like breeding them has become a distraction.

I confess I might write a paper on grass loving pans and azospirrilum instead.



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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Nokumana] * 3
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:whathesaid:

Not to yuck anyone's yum...

Kratom used to be 'adviced' as a crutch to kick weed here. Most people around me got really hooked on it somewhere along the road. It was about as hard to kick as daily weed smoking.

Personally I liked it, but it didn't have the wild attractiveness of opium. Even Nymphaea was more like opium.

My parents' generation was totally fucked over by heroin, there is a strong prejudice against any opiates in the squatter / rave scene. We managed to keep out most things, but there's always little backdoors, like the 'innocent' kratom or freebies sent by RC dealers. Like O-DSMT. If anyone's into that stuff, you do you, no blame or shame on my behalf. But if you send that stuff as a freebie to some dude that's into fake meow, knowing that he will just take a line and do zero research, that's a pretty fucked up attitude.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 2
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I spawned a couple of jars while under the influence of beer and tequila, misted the hell out of them and realized it was my iso alcohol mister. :uhoh: Let them air out overnight, they actually did ok! Not great, but ok.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: tree frog] * 4
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Im 99% certain that last er visit was kratom.  We still
Dont know why.  I kept pointing to my liver but they couldnt see anything.  Dilated bile duct? Or something?  Never felt pain like that before and i know pain. I dont think many here on the org will put up much of a defense for kratom.  Many of us have struggled with it. 

On a side note:

Confession time!!

Some dickwad  called me a pussy on my youtube channel the other day.  i dont know why i let it bother me but it does.  It would be dishonest to say it doesnt.  Been putting up with this shit my whole life. 

"No way you call yourself stoic or a wrestler" 

Fuckin dipshit.  I never said i was a "stoic".  I said i was tired of being stoic about chronic pain.  Im a broken old man.  i wrestled in highschool which was 26 fucking years ago.  Soooo fucking tired of the toxic masculine bullshit.  This tough guy stoicism thing is a pathetically thinly veiled facade over a woefully soft and vulnerable underbelly of insecurity.  Not that i dont have insecurities. I have many, but being "tough" isnt one of them.  Im forthcoming about my shortcomings and thats one of my assets. 

Ive been gutted like a fish and heard my own gurgled voice bubbling through the wounds.  Ive been cracked open like a crabshell and watched with open eyes as they shoved a fucking garden hose through my ribcage.  Ive seen my own body from above and thought to myslef "who the fuck is screaming like that?" And realize, "oh.  Its me".

I wasnt a great wrestler, and i never went to state.  I placed in a local tournament once and im still pretty proud of that.  Most people wont ever know what its like to be pushed that hard. 

So yeah, heres another confession.  I think im rough on gc because he reminds me of myself when i was younger.  I really felt like i had it all figured out.  I thought i was invincible.  Thought i was some kind of guru or spiritual guide because i was regularly doing ten strips.  Id only GLIMPSED the places that i regularly spend time in these days, and without any drugs at all.  So dont get it twisted, folks.  I love gc, im just rough on him.  I had to get rough on myself at some point and im still too small to not want people to suffer like i did, to some extent.  Id never wish what ive been through even on my worst enemy.  Im still much harder on myself than i am on gc, but im getting better.  My recent semp trips seem to ask me "why are you doing this to yourself?"

I was also a shitlib when i was younger too. i was a poly-sci major at one point.  An anthropology major after that.  I really thought i knew everything. 

So thats the confession.  I just want him to be better than i was.  I want him to be better than i am someday and i dont want him to get gutted or worse like i did to find it out. 

Anyway.  Yall doing breakfast? I might go get a burrito.  Its friday.  I have appt with a nose doc here in a minute.  Kinda excited about it . Finally getting my badly deviated septum looked at and hopefully get it fixed maybe this winter or something.


Beep boop bop


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 2
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Churpee Choozle said:
Kratom used to be 'adviced' as a crutch to kick weed here.


Wow, that's truly horrific. "Oh, so you're hooked on something that's psychologically and maybe slightly physiologically addictive? Here, try something that's truly physically addictive!"

Reminds me of the synthetic THC analogs that were all the rage in the 2000's. "The thing that's less harmful is illegal, so here: buy this completely untested unregulated synthetic crap at the gas station."


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Edited by B Traven (02/27/26 10:25 AM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] * 3
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Just for the record, you're tough as nails. I believe I am, too. Actually, that's the shit that I need to get away from: not being "tough" to prove something, but rather, not abusing myself just because I know I can handle it and I feel like I'm somehow being "lazy" or "missing out" if I don't. The tough guy jock shit never really got in my head, but the Academic "you're not doing enough work" definitely did. As did the working-class "why aren't you pulling overtime right now" mentality. And also creative/artistic insecurity: "that line is messed up on this drawing, and you fucked up that one chord, because YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PRACTICING ENOUGH"

The internet kinda sucks. I get annoyed with myself for reacting to stuff, but I don't really want to be the person that can read all that shit and go "oh, whatever." I don't really want to desensitize myself from feeling the full range of human interactions.

Probably gonna be toasted cranberry walnut sourdough bread with cranberry grapefruit jam. With a cheese omelet on top. Super strong french press, bowl rips, and peanutbutter goat milk fudge as the guilty pleasures. Andz fuck it, I'll go ahead and pull a hipster flex here and point out that all of that came from a neighborhood bakery and local farmers. OK, fine, the coffee's imported but roasted locally. And the weed is of unknown provenance, probably California, but I did trade my own harvest for it. But first I gotta drink a mug of green tea and pour water through my sinuses.


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Edited by B Traven (02/27/26 10:45 AM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] * 7
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B Traven said:
The internet kinda sucks. I get annoyed with myself for reacting to stuff, but I don't really want to be the person that can read all that shit and go "oh, whatever." I don't really want to desensitize myself from feeling the full range of human interactions.


This is why I spend most of my time talking about mushrooms when I'm online.  At least with cultivation folks have a common goal.  Rather than trying to one up each other for internet cool points.

Here we get our cool points by showing off our grows, and respect by helping each other.  I imagine other hobby oriented places on the net are similar.  But general disucssions tend to fall into a trap of reactivity.  And I can't even post in the Psychedelic Experience or the Spirituality forums here without running into folks stroking their egos and my own reactivity around it.

Mush cult, yall are my safe space :lol:


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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Fuck those guys beef, don't let them get in your head. The real man, tough guy assholes are victims. Fearing other guys. Trying to look cool. Jabbing steroids to look cool quicker. Getting into more crappy situations because they are so worked up from all that boosted testosterone. Feeling more fear. Checking their hairdo in every mirror. Ending up as incels, or with partners that tick all boxes of some made-up list, but never really understand them.

Fuck em.

Good luck with the doctor's appointment, hope they fix your snazzer.

But... Breakfast?
This is what the kids and I just had for dinner. Almost ashamed to post it after Generic's super autarchic meal.



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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: tree frog] * 3
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tree frog said:
Mush cult, yall are my safe space :lol:


Same here. Thanks TCs for a safe home.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 5
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BeefExtreme said:
So thats the confession.  I just want him to be better than i was.  I want him to be better than i am someday and i dont want him to get gutted or worse like i did to find it out. 



:whateverhuman:
all the other stuff aside, this is not very legit reasoning in my opinion man. That's not your job.

I've seen similar performative BS posting from both of you, sometimes in the quickly ninja edited posts and it's like... What?
A PR campaign to show that you ARE your character or something?
It's an internet forum, we're all charicatures at times.
It just so happens that your standing is relatively beloved and Gennys has quite often been the heel for many.
All that to say, there is no absolution by saying you treat someone else poorly for their own good, and if trating ourselves worse than we treat other was some barometer for morality then I'm sure we'd have a lot of saints around here...

No offense to either party intended

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