hidingbush said:

Dude I just figured it has needles so is pine. A lifelong desire of mine has been to be able to identify trees by name. I can tell ash trees and generally oaks but not which variety.


Charm comes in where you allow it to come in. The guy who sold us the house said, "if you cut those 2 trees down you could actually have a backyard." Dude the trees make the backyard.


I may be a rose tinted glasses kind of guy. I've let too much of my time be consumed with shit instead of making it into the light it can be

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BeefExtreme said:

tf i appreciate you trying to be so educational. 

i think B and i's point was always that it was never a debate! nobody ASKED his boring uninspired opinion, as usual .

it was a simpe situation:

3 punks having a smoke talking about how anarchy really helped them make sense of the world then this blow hard walks up and goes:

"waa! i dont like what you guys are talking about! here a mental image of "smashing babies""

like what the actual FUCK was that?  i wasnt going to say anything until churp put his smoke out and was like "im out of here"

thats the point where--if this was my venue in real life--i would have 86'ed him for life.  as thats not within my power, i did what i could. 

end of story. period. 

then he comes back trying to smear me from some shit i said years ago while churps trying to tell us about his new job.  ive punched people in the guts for less. . .

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I totally feel you. And when I post to educate it's to educate, I'm not debating GC.

I'm investigating my own opinions so I can communicate them better, which means I'm learning myself. I'm also posting for anyone that's on the fence and may have bought into the same propaganda GC did.

And I think a few folks have come around to a different opinion of anarchy over the course of this discussion.

But yeah, Churp encouraged GC to reflect awhile ago and he doesn't seem interested.  I'm not emotionally invested in him changing his mind.  It would be nice but I don't have my hopes up

hidingbush said:

We need to include our nature family into our circles.

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hidingbush said:

Pines tend to have long needles whereas spruce has those compact "buds" of needles?

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Churpee Choozle said:

(Here, that is. I mean you guys have Oaks with sharply serrated leaves and whatnot.)

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HOW FUCKING DARE YOU!?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercus_garryana

KlarnEvil9 said:

Anyone ever seen or heard of a cube called Pickle Rick? Got a big sack full, planning on testing them out on Saturday. They are clearly a PE variation, will post pics later.

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Stripper names and cubensis strains.  I can't keep track anymore and don't bother

Generic said:

whoah i thought garry oak and white oak were different species.  they are so diverse.

(in wikipedia) There are three varieties of Garry oak:

    Quercus garryana var. garryana – tree to 65 (100) ft. British Columbia south along the Cascades to the California Coast Ranges.
    Quercus garryana var. breweri – shrub to 15 ft; leaves velvety underneath. Siskiyou Mountains.
    Quercus garryana var. semota – shrub to 15 ft; leaves not velvety underneath. Sierra Nevada.

but that doesnt include the white oaks that dominate the oak savanas in southern oregon, does it?  are those different from the Quercus garryana var. garryana up north by the islands and shores of the salish sea?  I thought those were different too.

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I'm not sure how genetically distinct each population is, but I can certainly attest to the different morphology based on environment.  I have been under/in some GIANT garryana on San Juan island, just massive old trees.  I've seen some oaks of similar stature in the northern/mid Willamette valley.  Once you start getting to drier areas they start shrubbing out again though.  I noticed by the time you're at or south of eugene the white oak get shrubby and the stands are pretty thick with little spacing between trees.  Same thing in the area I harvest acorns from, white river east of mt hood.  In white river they rarely ever get a DBH over 12" (30cm) and are generally under 25-30 ft with most being around 15-20 ft in height.  Massive acorn producers though.  Everywhere the thick scrub oak is doing well, so are the populations of native western gray squirrels.

One of my favorite patches of oak I found in the middle of one of the wettest parts of the cascade rainforests.  For non tree people, this is surprising as oaks here tend to like dry environments.  I was hiking up a trail on hunchback mountain and went off trail to track a deer.  It ended up leading me to a spot where the trees gave way to a couple of acres of grass and rock that had a bunch of very small but adult white oaks growing there.  Just a little drier microclimate that somehow along the way an acorn fell into.  That little nut had to travel quite a distance over some mountains to land there and slowly develop into a mini oak patch over the years.  All the animal trails led to the patch.  It was obviously the spot to eat acorns or just sit in the sun on the western exposure and warm up.  Lots of bear, deer, squirrel, and other animal sign.

In the fall my wife and I forage for white oak acorns to make flour with.  White oaks have lower tannin levels than the sharply serrated () red and black oaks and IMO make a much better flour.  We shell and chop them, grind them into a meal, and soak the meal in water to remove the tannins.  We have to pour off the water carefully to get rid of the tannins while retaining all the precious starch, then replace the water and repeat until it pours clean.  Then we strain the whole schebang through a flour sack towel into a big cambro to separate the starch and meal.  We dry the meal in our dehydrator and grind most of it down to a fine flour for bread and bakery production, it's great mixed in a sourdough at about 5% by mass.  We also dry the starch and use it to thicken gravies or other starch applications.  It will thicken better than corn starch, so we have to be careful.  We do the same procedure with chestnuts, but they don't require the removal of tannins so it's mostly just to separate starch and meal.