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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven]
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Generic said:
I love goats too.  but if there is a hell, aren't we in it now?  TF you would know.



I didn't really take this as a serious question but I'm going to answer that way anyway :lol:

Maybe from my computer to save my index finger.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: tree frog] * 4
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My perspective is heavily influenced by psychedelics and Buddhism's six realms.

From this perspective, the equivalent of the devil, Mara, is the personification of the lust for power.  It's an office, rather than an individual, and one of the Buddha's chief disciples according to ancient stories, held this office in a previous life.  He burned off his negative karma, taught the dharma, and attained complete liberation from Samsara.

The realms themselves are divided into three upper and three lower realms.  And represent a map of both individual and mass consciousness.  They are Samsara and the goal of Buddhism is liberation rather than getting to heaven or avoiding hell.

The upper realms consist of the God realm, where beings aren't often motivated to act due to the lack of contact with suffering.  Meaning, they're apathetic.  The Asura realm is where beings who are jealous of the Gods often dwell.  And the human realm, where suffering and compassion are better balanced, which makes it easiest to hear the dharma and step out of the model (be liberated from the wheel of Samsara).

The lower realms consist of the animal realm, where the dominant mental trait is stubbornness and ignorance.  The realm of hungry ghosts, which is dominated by insatiable desire.  And the hell realm, which is dominated by aversion, anger, and hate.

In our material world, all six of these energies exist around us and inside of us.  And in all six it is possible to encounter Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, to hear the dharma, and step out of the cycle.

My personal experiences with the hell realms on Ayauasca and mushrooms I went into trying to aggressively remove my anger.  Which of course, caused the energy to proliferate.  In these instances the light of compassion helped me to find my way out.  Which isn't to say I don't still get angry.  Just that I've learned from these encounters some skillful means that have helped me a lot since.

So, I practice under the patron saint of compassion (we call these beings Bodhisattvas).  And the majority of my practice is under the yin aspect (Kwan Yin) who hears the cries of the world.  The yang aspect is compassionate action (Avalokiteshvara).  Two sides of compassion, one expressing as feminine and one as masculine.

So to answer your question, no, we're not in hell.  But the hell realms are proliferating a lot globally in our individual and mass consciousness.  Which is a natural rebound after folks in the Imperial core have burned off a lot of good karma in the God realm, ignoring the suffering of folks that the Empire has been subjugating for as long as I've been alive.  It's also a product of Trump's personal lust for power, his jealousy over Putin's control of Russia, and likely his fear of exposure in regard to the Epstein files.

But, compassion is also on the rise as many of us are shaking off our chains of apathy, and looking toward compassionate action, rather than power and privilege within hierarchy, as the way forward.

Granted, we also see a lot of reactionaries in both liberal and right wing media.  This sort of outrage is also hell energy, and is again a natural result of burning through good karma in the God realm.

Thanks for attending my dharma talk.  Here's some beautiful mushrooms :smile:


Edit:  We can also look at this model as ego inflation and deflation.  And I tend to use that language when communicating to folks in the psychedelic experience.  But it's also a collective energy, which the ego framings miss.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (02/26/26 09:38 AM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 3
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GenesisCorrupted said:
BeefExtreme said:
I meant im not talking about philosophy with a kid who wont read. 

im more than happy to talk about the kid who continually crawls out of the pub to shit on the floor when my educated friends are talking.

that ill get into.


BeefExtreme said:
i love not caring about this.  im not even interested in voting and like hob, youll never guess my affiliations.  but for my own sake ill say I hope the candidate who disrupts the status quo *more* wins.  chaos is a ladder.



This convinced me that you voted for the person who would caused the most chaos. But you did say you don't vote.
I find this response filled with insults very disappointing.
You can get into it if you want.

You have plenty of people to agree with you and you don't seem to want to discuss anything. You can call me whatever you want to.  But I'm not gonna lower myself to your level and insult you though.





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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Damn TF that was awesome! Thanks for sharing!


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: 1NFIN8] * 1
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I confess. I know nothing about trees. Only in the past year have I figured out how to keep plants alive. Shrooms have been good teachers.

All of you with such deep knowledge of the natural world inspire me.


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You can ignore the truth to your final breath. But trust me, it will meet you there to be ignored no longer.

The answer to your question is almost always 42
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: 1NFIN8] * 1
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1NFIN8 said:
I confess. I know nothing about trees. Only in the past year have I figured out how to keep plants alive. Shrooms have been good teachers.

All of you with such deep knowledge of the natural world inspire me.


Trees are tough, because everything takes so damn long to happen. It's relatively easy to experience the process of growing out 1000 annuals (tomatoes, weed, whatever) and seeing their whole life cycle. There's a whole lot of trees that will outlive whoever planted them. And their kids. And maybe their grandkids.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] * 7
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hahha oh my god.  the sealion meme. perfect.

i mean.  i dont actually feel like i was really that bad yesterday.  i was just saying what everyone was thinking in terms that any stupid person could understand in plain terms.  aside from using the term "shitlib" --which is totally just another compact political term like "tankie" "progressive" "chud" "libtard" etc that describes a whole set of ideals in one word-- i dont seem to remember saying anything outside the realm of what i would consider a pretty standard critique.  did i not also offer some olives? did i not say i always thought he was funny? or that his heart is in the right place?

what did i even say? that he doesnt listen? that hes ignorant? that hes arrogant? rude? these are normal criticisms that any self aware person would do well to examine.  that he shits on the floor of my thread when my friends are trying to enjoy their smoke breaks?

what part of what i said was untrue? what part of it was "flaming?" i mean, you even said it once (not that he heard you):  go ahead and notify mushboy and he can decide if im out of line and he'll handle it l.  ive been warned before, like the time i told asante "you dont know shit about fuck".  how is it my fault he was too dense to realize everyone was telling him the same thing but he refused to hear it?  that none of us were debating with him, but just trying to get him to acknowledge that he was being annoying as fuck..

listen doots, Im a punk, not a hippy.  Im a not a passivist, and ive been clear on that from the beginning of my long tenure here.  i do my best within reason and without surrender, to get along with everyone i can.  ive gone way out of my way to help people as massively as i have been able.  ive even sent him genetics!

i dont like this concept that im "letting him bother me".  that sweet summer child couldnt bother me with a sharpened stick. id like everyone to try to understand my station here: 

this is our tiniest corner of the internet and we faught for it.  im not about to let some ignorant kid come in here and smear feces on the walls with impunity when my friends are trying to enjoy eachother's company.  he, or anyone else can do that shit literally anywhere but here.  other op's and mods can handle it however they see fit. 

i said what i said, and i meant every word of it.  i will not be apologizing--ever---and it totally WILL happen again on account of who i am as a person.


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Edited by BeefExtreme (02/26/26 10:16 AM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] * 4
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B Traven said:
1NFIN8 said:
I confess. I know nothing about trees. Only in the past year have I figured out how to keep plants alive. Shrooms have been good teachers.

All of you with such deep knowledge of the natural world inspire me.


Trees are tough, because everything takes so damn long to happen. It's relatively easy to experience the process of growing out 1000 annuals (tomatoes, weed, whatever) and seeing their whole life cycle. There's a whole lot of trees that will outlive whoever planted them. And their kids. And maybe their grandkids.


Saddest day for me as a teen - we lived in a wooded area with lots of property in the Midwest. There was a massive southern red oak in the front of our house that was probably close to 100 feet tall and a trunk diameter of 6-8 ft. We had a Midwest thunderstorm come through and a bolt hit that tree exploding the bark off of it on three sides, embedding the bark into the bricks of the house.

It was brown in days.

It’s always struck me that something that lived so long, seen so much, was gone in an instant.


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You can ignore the truth to your final breath. But trust me, it will meet you there to be ignored no longer.

The answer to your question is almost always 42
“The answer is always grow more shroom.” Mr Piggy
- Those two answers coexist peacefully.

Quick Sterilization Reference for Altitude

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: 1NFIN8] * 3
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I vented a reactionary comment to GC and then deleted it.  Thanks everyone who is keeping a leveler head:lol:

But seriously GC, you asked for counter evidence and then ignored the Benn Jordan videos to continue your personal argument with one poster.  Benn is an actual anarchist doing studies on his own on things like how data center noise pollution is making folks sick.  Stuff the State doesn't care to investigate because of $$$$ and Chinaphobia.

You're mischaracterizing him as well as a whole bunch of organizers that are actually resisting ICE, because of propaganda you've been fed your whole life by hierarchal apes around the word anarchy.

It's contempt prior to investigation.  And it is an extremely ignorant position.  And the bad faith arguments make it very difficult not to get reactionary or simply put you on ignore.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] * 2
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B Traven said:
1NFIN8 said:
I confess. I know nothing about trees. Only in the past year have I figured out how to keep plants alive. Shrooms have been good teachers.

All of you with such deep knowledge of the natural world inspire me.


Trees are tough, because everything takes so damn long to happen. It's relatively easy to experience the process of growing out 1000 annuals (tomatoes, weed, whatever) and seeing their whole life cycle. There's a whole lot of trees that will outlive whoever planted them. And their kids. And maybe their grandkids.



ive farmed trees my whole life and i get humbled all the time.  i like seeing trees ive planted when i was in my teens getting WAY too big for the spot i planted them in.  cracking sidewalks,  ripping gutters off etc.  woops. 

my taste in trees also grew over time.  when youre younger you love the maples, the cherries.  the weepers.  the flowering trees and the vibrant falll colors.  box exlders were my favorite when i was a teen.

as ive gotten older its all. about. PINES.  ponderosa being my atf.  the bark smells like vanilla when you scratch it and they cannnot be cloned or grafted.  therefore, every one you see was grown from seed, so every single one is genetically unique, just as we are.  no two have the same form and structure.  fucking  love ponderosas. if you havent scratched the bark and smelled it yet, i feel bad for you.



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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 3
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Beef, you ought to see the pine tree i live next to. It's got about a 3 foot diameter and is quite tall for pines in this area.  It is our Sentinel, the sound of wind blowing through it is spell binding.





I've hugged a lot of trees, they have such energy and understanding. They nurture and watch over us.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 4
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tf i appreciate you trying to be so educational. 

i think B and i's point was always that it was never a debate! nobody ASKED his boring uninspired opinion, as usual .

it was a simpe situation:

3 punks having a smoke talking about how anarchy really helped them make sense of the world then this blow hard walks up and goes:

"waa! i dont like what you guys are talking about! here a mental image of "smashing babies""

like what the actual FUCK was that?  i wasnt going to say anything until churp put his smoke out and was like "im out of here"

thats the point where--if this was my venue in real life--i would have 86'ed him for life.  as thats not within my power, i did what i could. 

end of story. period. 

then he comes back trying to smear me from some shit i said years ago while churps trying to tell us about his new job.  ive punched people in the guts for less. . .


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: hidingbush]
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hidingbush said:
Beef, you ought to see the pine tree i live next to. It's got about a 3 foot diameter and is quite tall for pines in this area.  It is our Sentinel, the sound of wind blowing through it is spell binding.





I've hugged a lot of trees, they have such energy and understanding. They nurture and watch over us.



im not real hip on my pnw trees, but isnt that a spruce? dont get me wrong, i do love me a spuce too. 

either way, its a nice fixture.  youre really lucky.  your life seems so charmed.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Dude I just figured it has needles so is pine. A lifelong desire of mine has been to be able to identify trees by name. I can tell ash trees and generally oaks but not which variety.


Charm comes in where you allow it to come in. The guy who sold us the house said, "if you cut those 2 trees down you could actually have a backyard." Dude the trees make the backyard.


I may be a rose tinted glasses kind of guy. I've let too much of my time be consumed with shit instead of making it into the light it can be


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: hidingbush] * 2
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Pines tend to have long needles whereas spruce has those compact "buds" of needles?


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: hidingbush] * 2
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that above picture looks a lot like a brewers spruce, but yeah it's a spruce.  since its planted in a residential area and not higher altitude (i'm assuming)  my guess would be maybe a blue spruce, which can be great

Edited by Generic (02/26/26 08:24 PM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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BeefExtreme said:
B Traven said:
1NFIN8 said:
I confess. I know nothing about trees. Only in the past year have I figured out how to keep plants alive. Shrooms have been good teachers.

All of you with such deep knowledge of the natural world inspire me.


Trees are tough, because everything takes so damn long to happen. It's relatively easy to experience the process of growing out 1000 annuals (tomatoes, weed, whatever) and seeing their whole life cycle. There's a whole lot of trees that will outlive whoever planted them. And their kids. And maybe their grandkids.



ive farmed trees my whole life and i get humbled all the time.  i like seeing trees ive planted when i was in my teens getting WAY too big for the spot i planted them in.  cracking sidewalks,  ripping gutters off etc.  woops. 

my taste in trees also grew over time.  when youre younger you love the maples, the cherries.  the weepers.  the flowering trees and the vibrant falll colors.  box exlders were my favorite when i was a teen.

as ive gotten older its all. about. PINES.  ponderosa being my atf.  the bark smells like vanilla when you scratch it and they cannnot be cloned or grafted.  therefore, every one you see was grown from seed, so every single one is genetically unique, just as we are.  no two have the same form and structure.  fucking  love ponderosas. if you havent scratched the bark and smelled it yet, i feel bad for you.




We hike in and around Leadville, Tetons, and NW Montana and my wife will always grab a little sap off a Ponderosa and put it on her wrists.


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You can ignore the truth to your final breath. But trust me, it will meet you there to be ignored no longer.

The answer to your question is almost always 42
“The answer is always grow more shroom.” Mr Piggy
- Those two answers coexist peacefully.

Quick Sterilization Reference for Altitude

Edited by 1NFIN8 (02/26/26 11:02 AM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: hidingbush] * 3
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Pines have long needles, in pairs or other low numbers. Spruce have short needles all over. Firs, Cedrus and Larix have 'brushes' of needles.

(Here, that is. I mean you guys have Oaks with sharply serrated leaves and whatnot.)


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Species grown so far

Edited by Churpee Choozle (02/26/26 11:14 AM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: 1NFIN8] * 3
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I like that, good for her. My sister in law stiffened up when I hugged a tree and curly said she wouldn't give it a hug when I asked. We need to include our nature family into our circles.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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spruces
Churpee Choozle said:
Pines have long needles, in pairs or other low numbers. Spruce have short needles all over. Douglas, Cedrus and Larix have 'brushes' of needles.



yes, and i didnt know how to describe the difference between spruces and Douglas, Spruces are like bottle-brushes too, with needles pointing out 360degrees from the stem (but so do Doug Firs, they just favor the horizontal sides more, or something?), spruces are more bottle-brush-like than doug fir, but, i don't know how to describe the difference between the two. 

the bark and the dangling of the needle-branches was the dead giveaway that made me sure that was a spruce, and the dangling was what made me say it looks like a brewers spruce...  then i just looked out my window where i'm at now at a nice blue spruce, and it dangles too.  so i'm guessing blue spruce.  where is that tree located, hidingbush?

Edited by Generic (02/26/26 11:14 AM)

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