GenesisCorrupted said:
I really don't like when this thread becomes a bunch of catty bullshit because somebody disagrees with the OP.
Just to be clear, that's not how people are thinking about this, and that's not why you had multiple people responding unfavorably to your posts. I subscribe to the philosophy that I don't "own" any threads I start, and neither does anyone else. I find it super annoying when the OP of a thread here in Mush Cult says shit like "OK, well, if you can't help me with the exact thing I asked about here, then STFU." I put another TC on ignore last year when they kept insisting that I had "blocked them from my thread" even after I told them that it's not possible for me to do that, and I wouldn't do it anyway, and I didn't see it as "my thread" in the first place. I'm quite sure that Beef subscribes to a similar philosophy when it comes to starting threads.
The conversation you're having with Beef is your own thing. Nobody is rushing to his aid. If anything, it's the opposite, and he turned up to say something on behalf of the people you insulted. He's not even really a big "A-word" guy. If you actually go back a few pages and re-read, Beef wasn't even involved at the outset. Also, look at my first post where I start running my mouth about anarchism and then go on to talk about moshing etiquette at great length. You'll see that it comes in RIGHT after your first posts on the topic. That's because I was actually writing it as you were posting. So my post wasn't even in response to yours. Just an eerie coincidence. After that, you had people- myself included- responding to what you were putting out there. Not the "you're being a dick" stuff hurled at Beef- again, as far as I'm concerned, that's between the two of you- but rather, the vague statements you began leaning on as arguments. I was ready to "just walk away" (we really need a bitmoji for that), and was joking around with you about coffee stuff. Then, yeah, Beef turned up and had stuff to say to you. And you said stuff back. Which is fine in my book. But then you kept harping on this "sacrificing babies in caves" shit, and I couldn't let that go. And apparently some other people couldn't, either. You and Beef have whatever between you to work out or battle out or not deal with at all. But in your heated state, you doubled down on some stuff that actually offends me. Not as an anarchist seeing yet another person think they're entitled to trash on my politics just because they "don't count as politics." I'm quite used to that, almost to the point of amusement. No, I was offended because you were pushing a narrative that suggests the recent advances of industrial agriculture, colonialism, and neo-colonialism are critical to the survival of humanity, and that the only alternatives to the current clusterfuck are either your collection of minor tweaks you've come up with or a return to "smashing babies' heads in in caves." And, frankly, I found fhat take both uninformed and steeped in white supremacist tropes. And yeah, I can predict your reaction to that statement, and yeah, a few others will also see it and declare me a woke-tard. But understand this: I'm not even bringing that up to say that my reading of that imagery is the right one. I'm just telling you the reaction it provoked in me and some others. The bombastic over-simplified language you resorted to drew more people in. Not because they wanted to defend the OP or anyone else. Just because they also saw something kinda fucked up in what you were saying.
GenesisCorrupted said:
No one seems to want to go to the political discussions part of the site to discuss the politics they want to talk about. Because you're not allowed to attack the poster there.
Funny, I was just talking about this. Definitely not my experience over there. And when I brought that up- not as a complaint, mind you, but just as part of a reflection/comparison- some mods told me in no uncertain terms that if I had a problem with someone insulting me, I could just report that post, but otherwise, they really don't have time to comb through every post on the site and so I shouldn't complain about unequal treatment. To which I replied, "fair enough." So, that's the first point: if you've got a problem with being called a shit-lib or whatever, report the post. Or whichever post you think crossed the line. I personally don't do that, worst case I'll just put someone on ignore. But it is certainly your right to pursue the report option. If you do that, though, I would only ask that you also look up the term "shitlib," so you at least have some clue what Beef was talking about.
We've talked here at length about why we'd rather discuss politics and anything else under the sun here rather than The Pub or Political Discussion. Maybe comb through the archives and check it out. But also, you know, for me personally at least, I just look at the feed of what's going on site-wide. Half the time, I don't even pay attention to which subforum I'm posting in. This thread is a unique spot, but it's not because "they let you do ad hom there." It's because it feels like a bunch of cultivators on a smoke break. There really is a different tenor to the "debate" here. If we'd had this conversation in Political Discussion, yeah, you might have had more people rallying to your side. And we'd ALL be dodging the CHUD brigade. But I also honestly believe that you would have been treated far less kindly than you were here.
And if you're thinking, "nuh uh, Beef was a dick to me," well, then I just have to point out that things were gonna come to a head between you two somewhere, sometime. I still think you would have been in for more grilling over there though.
Edited by B Traven (02/25/26 08:40 AM)
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