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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
Okay listen i was researching hotplates and so, for anyone who could be following along here and potentially trying to do what im doing or someething similar let me tell you what i found out:

nothing but cadco csr-3t will work for our purposes.  *please*  do not cut corners at this critical point.  you might think youre saving a bunch of money but ask yourself:

"how much would i pay NOT to burn my house down?"

for me that number is well beyond the cost of a cadco which, is a pretty good deal right now if you know where to look. 

the issue is duty cycle.  yes, many appliances including the cuisinart--which is probably a pretty decent kitchen tool--will boil water but you need to look at DUTY CYCLE as per manufacturers specs.  eveything but cadco is rated for 30min max.  *buzz* nope.  we need 2 hrs at a minimum. 

cadco duty cycle is--drumroll, please--EIGHT. FUCKING. HOURS. 

so... thats where the rest of the money goes when buying a hotplate.  the wiring.  the contacts.  the housing.  the e l e m e n t



moral of the story for anyone following along:

cadco or nothing.  if youre going to do stupid shit like beef does, do it with knowledge please.



I'm literally 6 months late with my reply...apologies
CADCO or nothing, can vouch for them 100%
:manofapproval:
and no, i'm not afilliated or anything lol :heart::heart:


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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: OldManRiver]
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OldManRiver said:
I'm gonna be that guy.  Just at first, and then I have a possible contribution,

Beef, I'm reading your description of your problem about having to constantly attend to the PC, having the rate vary with your apartment temp and such. 

While you continue to pursue your vision, which I am following with great interest, a somewhat primitive way to reduce the cycling might be to increase the amount of water in the PC, which would give some heat sink.

In my PC, I have a stainless steel trivet sized for the PC, Amazon will provide. I have several two inch stainless bolts, clamped onto that as legs. There is tons of water, so it holds temp well, and won't run out over three hours.

Thus concludes my low tech, redneck engineered approach. And now, for something completely different...


I believe there is a opportunity for improvement in the essence of your current design. As I understand the previous discussion, your switch is intended to control the heating source only.  Of particular note, you don't have a way to manage the beginning process of venting automatically, requiring (IMO, at least) manual attendance at the beginning of the cycle. 

What if you refactored this use of your switch/gauge as a general purpose input to whatever the cool kids are using these days, raspberry or ARM, and used that to control both heat and the valve to create pressure?  If you could do that, you can schedule the entire cycle.

You'd need a solenoid controllable valve, and bits and pieces for whatever platform. 

If this interests you, I have a Raspberry lying around and would be intrigued to discuss further.



Coincidentally, i've been running mine with 4 qts of water, every single cycle. The reason being the low numbers of jars (mostly 5 or 7 jars) and substrate bags. Now, when running the 1000mL media bottle of agar, i switch trivets for the classic flat one, two of them back to back. I'm pretty old and stubborn so there's that :oldman::heart::heart:




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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: OldManRiver] * 1
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hey i appreciate the feedback and input here.

well i run 10 jars at a cycle so i dont have room for any more water or modded trivets or anything but good lookin out.

I like the rapsberry idea but I am trying to avoid as much electronics as I can with this. In my experience, electronics willl always eventually fail.  i dont mind the venting cycle and eventually i may install a mechanival timer to shut the system off after two hours.

i appreciate the offer and your inteterest into my project.

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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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and yes.  cadco or nothin.  i was happy to spend this little bit of money on this part because i realized that there was no other way and im happy to just own one.  also, they were and are still on sale i beleive. 


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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme] * 4
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yes i am aware my face is in the reflections of the picture and pc.  ive posted my face before.
as i do not do anything illegal, im
not worried about it.  thanks for lookin out though guys.

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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Beef, always extra thanks for the HHGS, and wow, really cool project. I keep being amazed by every setback / stall out. It's got a real special feel to it, seeing one of the knights of convention embark on a mission that involves dangerous tinkering. Keep up the good work!


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Fight law and order


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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 2
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hahhahah. i know right?  thanks man.  tinkering and inventing is my true passion so this one is probably my funnest invention ever.  all
the elements are there and it involves cultivation as an added bonus .

the hardest lesson of yesterday is "dont buy cheap components".  troubleshooting is hard enough without compounding the situation with defective parts.  now i gotta call amazon and get a refund yada yada.  so annoying.

still a really fun day for me and my klein meter.  we used just about every fucking setting!

voltage.
amperage.
resistance.
continuity.

i love this shit.  i probably should have been an electrician but life had other plans i guess.

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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Just get switchcraft jacks.  Those work great.  I build guitar amps as one of my hobbies.  Tube amps that is.  I’ve never seen a switchcraft jack fail.


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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
and yes.  cadco or nothin.  i was happy to spend this little bit of money on this part because i realized that there was no other way and im happy to just own one.  also, they were and are still on sale i beleive. 





FUCK YEAH!!:heart::heart:
:doublejointed:


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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: justjarvis]
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justjarvis said:
Just get switchcraft jacks.  Those work great.  I build guitar amps as one of my hobbies.  Tube amps that is.  I’ve never seen a switchcraft jack fail.



Yooooo, now we got a man after mine own heart! If you hadn't guessed, I'm a bit of an amateur amp-tinker-er and pedal builder so thank you for chiming in.

thanks for the recommendation! My gf is also an (actual) amp tech and she said she had some jacks she'd give me.  I bet they are switchcraft because my lady don't fuck around with crappy components.  If she doesn't have them though, that is what I will definitely order. Thank you!

I'm changing up a lot of stuff today.  I realized I should ground the mercoid even though Im only using 24v as a signal sooooo, i'm thinking now I use stereo jacks and running a third wire in the cable and connecting the terminal to the grounding contact in the mercoid.  I dunno.  Just trying to make it as safe as possible I guess.  There theoretically shouldn't be a way for 120v to find a path to the unit but better safe than sorry I guess.  I deliberately made my box plastic for this reason, but I'm thinking that working on a stainless table is probably stupid and my gf would probably be shaking her head.

Whats your thoughts on that before I tear apart this cable I spent 2 hours making last night? hahah.

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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Hahahah I messaged her and told her about your recommendation and she said "i only use switchcraft"


So there ya go.  Switchcraft it is.

Let me know what you think about the grounding thing though.

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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Inline GFCI at the wall? Not an electrician, I mostly work with DC power systems myself so not sure if there's a better option for this use case.


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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: Saxifrage] * 2
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Oh yea, gfci is a good call. I can make that happen easy enough. I'm probably overthinking it but I already ordered the parts to ground the shit out of the entire thing.  Better to be redundantly safe than negligently sorry.  Thanks for your input.  I did end up ordering the switchcraft jacks/plugs. 

Stay tuned. I should have a final product by this weekend.

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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme]
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I’m assuming that the circuit ground is connected to a 3 pronged grounded power outlet’s ground and if that’s true you should be ok.  But I haven’t fully read this thread so…

Love the guitar cable hack. 

I’d do the one hand in the rear pocket trick while handling it initially.  Hopefully there’s an on/off switch in there too that totally opens the circuit (at the power junction that is).  Not totally necessary but I have plenty of switches like that laying around. 

Be safe.  But I love the mad scientist approach.  I bought a variac a while back so I can gradually increase the power on a new circuit and that gives me a little piece of mind.  Granted, the step up power transformers used on a tube amp means I’m regularly dealing with 400-550 volts.  Still 24v can kill as long as there’s enough current potential.


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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: justjarvis] * 1
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:camping:


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Whatever you decide won’t really impact our survival
Close your eyes, and do the best that you can


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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: Camera93] * 6
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i fully ran a cycle of jars tonight.  went really well im just missing some components to fully finish the design the way i want it.  i just ran the control wires temporarily with wire nuts just to test it out. cadco ran perfect.  no leaks.  no arcs. i poked all over looking for a 24v bleed or even scarier, a 120v bleed.  nothing.  the entire unit appears to have nominal grounding throughout so thats good. 

hmm.. yeah i wish i had installed a killswitch. im thinking it would be real easy to do a little toggle on the 24v circuit that would effectively shut it all down insofar as cutting power to the cadco which really the component that scares me the most.  good call man thanks.



i think overall its a redundantly safe circuit but i may install a gfci dedicated just for it.  i think its safe and moreover, its modular. that is, every component can be replaced.  serviceable for life.

it took some fine tuning but i have it running steady between 16-17 psi.  room temp shouldnt matter. 

ill post final pics if i can finish it tomorrow.

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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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so i didnt finish it because i got sick and i was missing a couple components to add that ground .

should finish it this weekend.

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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme] * 3
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sheesh, u need to change this post title to:

"Im eventually gnna do something potentially dangerous as hell, but sooner or later, im gnna do it anyways."

:goodmorning:

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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
the hardest lesson of yesterday is "dont buy cheap components".  troubleshooting is hard enough without compounding the situation with defective parts. 

....

i love this shit.  i probably should have been an electrician but life had other plans i guess.



Preach it, on both counts. In another time, I grew weed indoors hydroponically in highly automated setups. They weren't automated because they had to be, they were automated because it's freaking fun, and not that hard to do that.


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Re: Im about to do something potentially dangerous as hell, but ima do it anyway. [Re: OldManRiver] * 1
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Hell yeah man. Automated setups are great fun to play with. I used to have a whole house dedicated to growing and could be gone for up to 5 days

Beef, I am about 100% sure this is gonna work. You’re clearly a very ingenious dude and we’re lucky to have you here sharing your knowledge
:seriousthankyou:

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