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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: vicepope]
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vicepope said:
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Why are you dems doing this shit. What is wrong with you people. Trying to get government works off social security after retirement same with private individuals pension. Social security is the other way to get healthcare to the people at 65 years old.



What?


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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: koods] * 5
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Yes their are garbage people in every economic and social class who support fascism.

That's what Maga is. Fascism.

It runs on a cult of personality, like Hitler or Kim Jung Un.

People believe in Trump, like he is a character they believe in, like Santa. The realities of his true character are ever present, and his followers are intentionally blind to it.

The fixation on militarism, strong man imagery. The use of racial fear mongering, religious imagery, and iconography.

Like I don't like Christianity. It's the thing I hate the most. I also don't think that Trump believes in Christianity. I don't think he believes in God, and thinks Jesus is the only son of God given to humanity to absolve our sins of sexual procreation. I don't think he has strong opinions about transubstantiation.

I doubt he could recite the Lord's prayer.

I think the Bible waving. Literal Bible waving, is about symbolizing, to the fascist supporters, that he rules by divine right.

That means no checks. That means no balances.

Like January 6th, is pretty similar to what you see in the rise of fascist dictatorships. Combine that with the election lies, the face electors.

It's legitimately, overt, out in the open fascism.

I could go on, but anyone who is capable of seeing it, already sees it.


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Libertine Gramscian social-reconstructionist

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down] * 2
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She's so old all her young pics are in black and white lol


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: gopher]
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Wow i was two pages behind lol


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

Edited by gopher (09/21/24 06:31 PM)

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down] * 1
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
Yes their are garbage people in every economic and social class who support fascism.

That's what Maga is. Fascism.

It runs on a cult of personality, like Hitler or Kim Jung Un.

People believe in Trump, like he is a character they believe in, like Santa. The realities of his true character are ever present, and his followers are intentionally blind to it.

The fixation on militarism, strong man imagery. The use of racial fear mongering, religious imagery, and iconography.

Like I don't like Christianity. It's the thing I hate the most. I also don't think that Trump believes in Christianity. I don't think he believes in God, and thinks Jesus is the only son of God given to humanity to absolve our sins of sexual procreation. I don't think he has strong opinions about transubstantiation.

I doubt he could recite the Lord's prayer.

I think the Bible waving. Literal Bible waving, is about symbolizing, to the fascist supporters, that he rules by divine right.

That means no checks. That means no balances.

Like January 6th, is pretty similar to what you see in the rise of fascist dictatorships. Combine that with the election lies, the face electors.

It's legitimately, overt, out in the open fascism.

I could go on, but anyone who is capable of seeing it, already sees it.



Assuming this is directed at me, my point is that both parties are fascist and the democrats will sacrifice trans people just as swiftly as they’ve cast aside those other groups demonized by the right.

The proper response would be to defend all these people, not just cheer it on until it affects you personally.

“First they came for the….” Surely you’re familiar with this one.


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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
Yes their are garbage people in every economic and social class who support fascism.

That's what Maga is. Fascism.

It runs on a cult of personality, like Hitler or Kim Jung Un.

People believe in Trump, like he is a character they believe in, like Santa. The realities of his true character are ever present, and his followers are intentionally blind to it.

The fixation on militarism, strong man imagery. The use of racial fear mongering, religious imagery, and iconography.

Like I don't like Christianity. It's the thing I hate the most. I also don't think that Trump believes in Christianity. I don't think he believes in God, and thinks Jesus is the only son of God given to humanity to absolve our sins of sexual procreation. I don't think he has strong opinions about transubstantiation.

I doubt he could recite the Lord's prayer.

I think the Bible waving. Literal Bible waving, is about symbolizing, to the fascist supporters, that he rules by divine right.

That means no checks. That means no balances.

Like January 6th, is pretty similar to what you see in the rise of fascist dictatorships. Combine that with the election lies, the face electors.

It's legitimately, overt, out in the open fascism.

I could go on, but anyone who is capable of seeing it, already sees it.



Assuming this is directed at me, my point is that both parties are fascist and the democrats will sacrifice trans people just as swiftly as they’ve cast aside those other groups demonized by the right.

The proper response would be to defend all these people, not just cheer it on until it affects you personally.

“First they came for the….” Surely you’re familiar with this one.



Cheer what on?

Do I sound like I'm cheering for fascism?

I don't think it's funny.

I'm not celebrating it.

I think the problem is being created on a social axis, and what we see politically is a manifestation of a deep sickness in the hearts and minds of the people.

A manufactured sickness.

I believe that change on the social axis is what's most important.

It is more potent to influence people socially.


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Libertine Gramscian social-reconstructionist

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down] * 1
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You said:

Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
I don't really care about Kamala Harris.

She's just some generic middle of the road politician.

If she starts talking shit about trans people, or tries to ban abortion, maybe I'll get more motivated about it.

I like to judge and ridicule people who judge and ridicule me.






“Don’t really care about Harris until she starts ridiculing trans people.”

I am arguing against this position by showing that a politician willing to discard an immigrant will just as easily discard a trans person.

As far as abortion, hell, Dem leadership was endorsing anti choice candidates like two years ago. Hillary picked one as a running mate. If you think they won’t possibly concede on this issue too then idk what to say. Good luck I guess.


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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
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What the fuck do you want me to do?

Should I start a political lobbying group?

How about I gather several inbred racists and we storm the capital?

Should I watch more news about it?

Maybe I should call Kamala Harris on the phone and confront her about immigration?

I only have the benefit of social influence.

In this day and age, if you can eviscerate, humiliate, or shame other people, you can make more progress than standing at a picket line

I grew up in an environment where shame, and fear were used to control my behavior.

Those are powerful tools. We just have a lot of people who would be ashamed to wear a dress, or write a poem, but extremely proud to shoot a black person, or smack their wife.

No amount of voting is going to fix that.

What about shame?

What if people were afraid to be Christian? What if it was embarrassing?

What if people were ashamed of tradition?

What if people who like power and control could be mocked, socially isolated, humiliated, denied personal agency, dehumanized and terrorizes, until they kill themselves. Then we mock them for that too.

I can tell you first hand, it's been effective in suppressing queer people.

What if, as a thought experiment, we apply to people who deserve to be suppressed?


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Libertine Gramscian social-reconstructionist

:blazed::spinleaf::bongload:

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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You're on a roll! Keep it up, great posts. Love to see it.

Trump is a fascist. MAGA is a literal cult. If you ask a MAGA for any statistical data to back up their ridiculous claims, they'd look at you like a deer staring at a headlight, unable to quote anything tangible in reality.

Voting and volunteering at voting booths are great ways to help make a small but tangible difference. Get out and vote. Harris is better than Trump in every way. To start off with, she's not a convicted criminal, let alone a 34 count one (so far)


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Spread kindness, love, empathy, compassion.

Learn from mistakes. Try and do better. Each day is a new day, try to make it a better one.

Coconut and Avocado is awesome for the skin.

MIND OVER MATTER

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down] * 1
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
What the fuck do you want me to do?

Should I start a political lobbying group?

How about I gather several inbred racists and we storm the capital?

Should I watch more news about it?

Maybe I should call Kamala Harris on the phone and confront her about immigration?

I only have the benefit of social influence.

In this day and age, if you can eviscerate, humiliate, or shame other people, you can make more progress than standing at a picket line

I grew up in an environment where shame, and fear were used to control my behavior.

Those are powerful tools. We just have a lot of people who would be ashamed to wear a dress, or write a poem, but extremely proud to shoot a black person, or smack their wife.

No amount of voting is going to fix that.

What about shame?

What if people were afraid to be Christian? What if it was embarrassing?

What if people were ashamed of tradition?

What if people who like power and control could be mocked, socially isolated, humiliated, denied personal agency, dehumanized and terrorizes, until they kill themselves. Then we mock them for that too.

I can tell you first hand, it's been effective in suppressing queer people.

What if, as a thought experiment, we apply to people who deserve to be suppressed?



God if only we could make how transparently stupid and hypocritical Christianity and Christians are into a clarion call that galvanized the electorate. Then i'd happily be ready to die.


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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: QuantumZ00] * 1
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Abrahamic religion and militarism.

Those are the problem.

They groom people to be violent followers. Often they run out of things to follow, but still maintain the violence.

People who believe in Christ, should be fucking embarrassed. It's embarrassing.

People who fantasize about being the hero, leader, strong man, whatever, they don't need to be rewarded. They need to be detered.

Do you know what decentering means?

We need to decenter traditionalism and religion. Everywhere it's at the center of something, remove it. Divest. Replace.

Make them irrelevant.

Extreme hostility, extreme disrespect, extreme intolerance. Not violence, or litigation, just extreme, hard social pressure.

The kind that would make a lesbian marry a man, because of what her parents think.

That could be employed elsewhere.

How many people disown their children for joining the military?


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Libertine Gramscian social-reconstructionist

:blazed::spinleaf::bongload:

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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I don't think there's anything wrong with using violence when it's directed against evil people.

To quote Matthew in True Detective... "Bad men like me exist to deter other bad men from opening their door."

Extreme intolerance leads to violence... and when one side is using violence to further their goals, violence has to be met back with violence.

There's just no way around that.

Men like Hitler, Stalin, Kim, Putin... violence is the only thing that works


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Lead by example, words mean little when your actions don't reflect what you say.

Spread kindness, love, empathy, compassion.

Learn from mistakes. Try and do better. Each day is a new day, try to make it a better one.

Coconut and Avocado is awesome for the skin.

MIND OVER MATTER

:mushroom2::lsd:

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
Trump is an option because a huge chunk of Americans are extreme racists, who hate queer people.

They would vote for their own decapitation, if a rich white man told them to.

They buy pallets worth of monster energy drink from Costco. They have weddings in the Walmart parking lot.

They burn down forests with their gender reveal parties.

Trump is their man.

The fucking king of morons.



Hmm... oddly specific lmao!


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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
But don’t worry I’m sure that won’t happen to trans folks. The Democrats would only ever abandon immigrants, Black Lives Matter, Palestinians, and climate change allies.



Goddamn man... That hits hard.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: TrancedOutBrah] * 1
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I understand why you feel that way, but those people you mentioned, they didn't come to exist in a vaccume.

Their attitudes were manufactured. They did the things they did by manufacturing the attitudes of others to be compliant. To accept violence.

The idea that violence is a tool, that we can use, to meet our needs, is a delusion.

The only thing we need, is to be free from violence.

There is an aspect of male socialization. People are programmed by various mechanisms to have these fantasies.

BigbadWoolf actually displayed it really clearly in an earlier discussion. He was like "I don't like violence but if I was out somewhere and someone started bothering my girl, I would knock their ass out"

So this is a fantasy, in which he creates a scenario that allows him to engage in violence, anti-social behavior, and be rewarded for it, socially.

These specific types of power fantasies are designed to create a state of violent hyper vigilant thinking. Keep people always on the edge of justifiable violence.

But how often does that violence come? Unless we go looking for it.

How many people are only hurting other people because they think it's their job to control, patrol, protect, dominate?

I think shame is a powerful mechanism for dealing with these fantasies.

The programming needs to be directly confronted.

Anytime people say violence is inevitable, it's because that's they way they want it. They are the ones who are going to make it inevitable.


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Libertine Gramscian social-reconstructionist

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Inevitable or no, violence has historically been very effective.

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
What the fuck do you want me to do?




I think, what TE is trying to say is that, while Democrats are better on some of the current issues of the day (Like Trans issues), they are a fair-weather friend, and will turn their back on you as soon as the wind blows elsewhere.

From my perspective (And I may be wrong, but this is what I see)... Trans people are an absolute absurdity to conservative minds, and the reason they have become the focus of so much public, political discourse in recent years, is because it is one of the most divisive social topics that politicians could possibly focus on, to continue keeping the people distracted from the very serious economic issues that burden this country. It's a slight of hand, while they raid the coffers, with their PPP loans and bailouts, etc.

People who never even gave much thought at all to Trans issues now have a burning hatred for, or love of Trans people.. one or the other. At the end of the day, you aren't being done any service by politicians from either side. You are being used as fodder to fuel the sort of social incohesion that people like Trump thrive on. All politicians thrive on.

I see divisive rhetoric coming from both sides, on issues of race. Racial tension in this country is much worse than it was a decade ago. The powers that be want us fighting.

They want you to feel the kind of bitterness that you clearly do feel, and they want others to feel it toward you.

I try to stay focused on economic issues, rather than social issues. As I have said before, I have more in common with my trans coworker, than she does with Kaitlyn Jenner... or whoever. We are both middle class or lower. We will both benefit from a lot of the same changes (like universal healthcare).

In light of all of that, I think Democrats are doing you at least as much of a disservice, using you as pawns for their soapbox talking points... making you a target...

Maybe you disagree, but that's what I see happening. So... maybe what you should do, is treat them with the same vitriol, because Dems are nobody's forever-friend, except the very, very wealthy.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


Edited by Bigbadwooof (09/21/24 09:00 PM)

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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ballsalsa said:
Inevitable or no, violence has historically been very effective.



Effective in what regard?

People who excell at violence, are not smarter than others, not more ethical. Whatever they achieve through violence, they destroy in kind.

A society built around violence, will always be haunted. Always be cursed. Every time we turn on the news, and we see another school shooting, or another cartel execution, we are paying the price of that curse.

We have effectively shit on every single corner of where we eat, through violence.

That's what it's effective for.


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Libertine Gramscian social-reconstructionist

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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
The idea that violence is a tool, that we can use, to meet our needs, is a delusion.



Sometimes violence really is the only option.

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The only thing we need, is to be free from violence.

There is an aspect of male socialization. People are programmed by various mechanisms to have these fantasies.



Imagining a society that is free from this sort of conditioning is a utopian fantasy. There will always be violent people.

Quote:
BigbadWoolf actually displayed it really clearly in an earlier discussion. He was like "I don't like violence but if I was out somewhere and someone started bothering my girl, I would knock their ass out"




It does actually happen. I don't want to get into too much detail,  but I was staying in a really sketchy place, and some methed out group of junkies came after my gf, and tried to break into the place we were staying in. There was no avoiding violence.

It may not happen to you, but it does happen.

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So this is a fantasy, in which he creates a scenario that allows him to engage in violence, anti-social behavior, and be rewarded for it, socially.



Rewarded for it, how? Usually, in those situations, people end up getting arrested. I don't know the specific conversation you are referring to, but I'm sure I was trying to convey the fact that I love my woman to the point that I would kill someone if they posed a credible threat to her. These are things that cis men consider, because our role in society is to be a protector.

There is nothing wrong with that. It's a dangerous world.

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These specific types of power fantasies are designed to create a state of violent hyper vigilant thinking. Keep people always on the edge of justifiable violence.

But how often does that violence come? Unless we go looking for it.



When I was really young, my 13 year old neighbor broke into my house and stabbed my ma roughly a dozen times with a hedging scissors... Violence is a real part of a lot of people's lives.

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How many people are only hurting other people because they think it's their job to control, patrol, protect, dominate?

I think shame is a powerful mechanism for dealing with these fantasies.

The programming needs to be directly confronted.

Anytime people say violence is inevitable, it's because that's they way they want it. They are the ones who are going to make it inevitable.



That is just not true at all.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Trump thinks Hitler is super cool [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
ballsalsa said:
Inevitable or no, violence has historically been very effective.



Effective in what regard?

People who excell at violence, are not smarter than others, not more ethical. Whatever they achieve through violence, they destroy in kind.

A society built around violence, will always be haunted. Always be cursed. Every time we turn on the news, and we see another school shooting, or another cartel execution, we are paying the price of that curse.

We have effectively shit on every single corner of where we eat, through violence.

That's what it's effective for.



We are the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, because of violence.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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