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No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia)
    #2694980 - 05/18/04 06:11 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)



Friday, May 14, 2004. Page 3.

No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession

By Carl Schreck
Staff Writer Under a new law that came into effect this week, drug users can possess a greatly increased amount of an illegal substance -- for instance, 20 grams of marijuana or 1.5 grams of cocaine -- without the risk of being thrown in jail.

The law has been criticized by the Federal Anti-Drug Service, which says it hampers the battle against drugs, but praised by those who work to rehabilitate drug addicts, who predict more addicts will now seek help.

President Vladimir Putin signed an amendment to the Criminal Code in December stipulating that possession of no more than 10 times the amount of a "single dose" would now be considered an administrative infraction rather than a criminal offense. Punishment would be a fine of no more than 40,000 rubles ($1,380) or community service.

It then took five months to hammer out what would be considered the single dose of various drugs.

Ten times the amount of a single dose, as set in the government resolution that came into effect Wednesday, is 20 grams of marijuana, 5 grams of hashish, mescaline or opium, 1.5 grams of cocaine, 1 gram of heroin or methamphetamine, and 0.003 grams of LSD.

Anyone caught in possession of these amounts or less cannot legally be detained, a spokeswoman for the Moscow branch of the Federal Anti-Drug Service said. Instead, a report will be filed and the fine will be determined by a court.

This is a major change. Under the old standards, someone caught with 0.1 grams of marijuana, for instance, could be punished by incarceration.

Foreigners, even those with deep pockets, should still take the new law seriously, however. Yelena Zhigayeva, a lawyer at the Moscow law firm Haarmann Hemmelrath & Partner, said that by law foreigners who violate Russian drug laws, even if it is only an administrative infraction, can be expelled from the country or denied re-entry.

Alexander Mikhailov, deputy head of the Federal Anti-Drug Service, was indignant about the resolution.

"The heroin dose is normal for a chronic drug user, but for a regular person it's nonetheless a dose of potassium cyanide," Mikhailov was quoted as saying in Kommersant on Thursday. "We were categorically against it, but the Justice Ministry simply went crazy chasing its European standards.

"Now drug addicts have the right to run around with their pockets full of marijuana, and we can't even detain them."

A spokesman for the Federal Anti-Drug Service was more diplomatic. "It's the law, and we are required to abide by it and enforce it," he said by telephone.

The amounts for single doses were recommended by a group formed by the State Duma's Legislative Committee that included representatives from the Health, Justice and Interior ministries, the FSB and several NGOs.

Lev Levinson, head of New Drug Policy, an advocacy group for drug law reform, was the coordinator of the group. "This is a brave, humane law," Levinson said. "Now that police will stop persecuting users, they can start focusing on real threats like large-scale drug trafficking."

Vitaly Zhumagaliyev, head of the Moscow bureau of Harm Reduction, which works to rehabilitate drug addicts, said the new law will provide a boost to his organization's activities.


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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2695136 - 05/18/04 08:45 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

dealing with a problem instead of just locking it away... what a novel idea!


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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2695639 - 05/18/04 01:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
"Now drug addicts have the right to run around with their pockets full of marijuana, and we can't even detain them."





Oh the horror! Those evil, evil drug addicts with the pockets full of marijuana!


That's great to see another country making a move like that. Hopefully it will be a success and help gather momentum.


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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2695860 - 05/18/04 02:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"and 0.003 grams of LSD. " so they decriminilised LSD? wow


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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2696217 - 05/18/04 03:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I saw that too! Decriminalizing LSD now thats a big step!!!

Russia doesn't have much of a government state... the Russian mafia runs the country.

Still, its a step in the right direction.

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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2696343 - 05/18/04 03:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Imagine trying to weigh that....that's a good sized dose tho.

Very interesting to see RUSSIA do this....not at all whom i'd expect.
5 years from now we're going to be the last society to have criminalized
druge use and possession.


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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2696468 - 05/18/04 04:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:

So America is more like Russia than Russia. Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...............god we suck.




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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2697851 - 05/18/04 07:27 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

they used to tell us in school that the russians were out to change our way of life, turn us into communists... turns out, our way of life replaced theirs, capitalism has nearly destroyed russian society, and the US is the one to have the secret police and the horrible prisons and russia is the one making progressive steps...

what happened?


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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2700079 - 05/19/04 08:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

wow...

This is the best news in years from the trenches of "our side" of the War on Drugs.

Moscow Times, Putin OK'd it, the details are worked out and the post-USSR remnants of obedience enforcement are turned against the "Russian DEA" who democratically are allowed to whimper a slight disagreement but then step in line. Kindof like the US situation, but then to the sane side with the gov't commanding the drug-enforcers and not the other way around. :smirk:
If the lesser gods of law enforcement give this a fair chance it'll be sun street for all of us. :sun:

Russia is huge.
Its a vast nation with a lot of people and if you don't look at economy its one of the major players that shape the world. The US defines "superpower" in terms of dollars and megatons (unfortunately the russians have got the latter covered like the US has :frown: ) but I look at it more importantly in terms of the moral higher ground.

Russia's got a lot of problems, -dire problems-, but is genuinely moving away from totalitarian dictatorship while the US is slowly moving towards gagging the freedoms it boasts.


"The Land of the Free" deals out over 1.000.000 years of jailtime every 5 years in mandatory minimum chunks of 5 years and over, with 20% of -all- arrests being made regarding marijuana and

"The Home of the Brave" destroys the careers of -scientists- who dare to challenge political boundaries to scientific discovery.
Example: lets say the DuParkelilly Co. discovers that N-fluoro-MDA obliterates depression for two months after a single dose and that it is safe for practical use if the dose administration is done in a weekend-stay in a hospital.

This hypothetical medicine will -never- become part of the US pharmaceutical array. In fact: it will not be discovered in America because if it is the scientists go to jail and the brave company gets kicked through the courts. Because its a direct analog to a Schedule 1 substance. (the no-good MDA and MDMA) Research with controlled substances requires a DEA license. And hell will absolutely freeze over before the DEA will allow research being done to develop pharmaceuticals based on "hallucinogenic amphetamine" templates.


Putin, perhaps unexpectedly, goes the opposite route. Like South Africa after apartheid fell they have to invent freedom and democracy anew, because of the simple fact that they have been without it in the recent past.

Money is an issue too, in fact I have no doubt that it was economic motives that have made this possible, as economic motives throughout history are just about the only thing that made politicians seriously consider something they don't want to at first.
Money makes the world go round. On the very moment renewable energy becomes truely economically viable you can only buy solar panel roofing tiles.

Russia doesn't -need- their prisons filled to the brim with people who simply chose to use "vodka in a capsule". And lets face it: the mere USE of a recreational drug is among the dumbest things to be jailed for.
"Drugs ruin your life: lets ruin the lives of those who use them"
How about capital punishment for attempted suicide?

So Russia is going Dutch now! And in their pragmatism they have actually set dosages for marijuana, hashish, mescaline and LSD that are in my view more to the stiff side then unrealistically low.
Posession of these substantial amounts of recreational drugs (3.000mcg of LSD is roughly equal to a thumbprint, a sheet of weak blotter, 10 full-strength 60's microdots or 50-100gr of dried cubies)
being labeled a misdemeanor is not just a great step towards international decriminalization but also establishes 300mcg of LSD, 1/2 gram of Mescaline or 2 grams of Marijuana as realistic user quantities for one day in international juridical precedent.

Like Peter the Great before them modern Russian policy makers have looked at Holland for an update. And they even outdid us as to immediately do away with the drug tourism problem we're facing right at the passing of the bill. This is the man-on-the-moon for the Truce on Drugs the world direly needs to get closer towards world peace and true freedom for its citizens.
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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: Asante]
    #2700900 - 05/19/04 01:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hahaha, crazy news...Maybe the US will finally be pressured into ending the drug war after they see the rest of the world is becoming more progressive?


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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: Lana]
    #2702183 - 05/19/04 06:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

although that statement would have been true 8 years ago it is very different today in russia


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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: Asante]
    #2705473 - 05/20/04 01:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

"Drugs ruin your life: lets ruin the lives of those who use them"
How about capital punishment for attempted suicide?





Haha. So fucking true. Great analogy!





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Re: No More Jail Terms for Drug Possession (Russia) [Re: bert]
    #2706201 - 05/20/04 04:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe the US will finally be pressured into ending the drug war after they see the rest of the world is becoming more progressive? 




If the rest of the world legalised what are now 'illegal' drugs, the U.S. Govenrment would probably take it upon itself to 'save' the world from 'evil' drugs...  :guns:


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