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I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. * 2
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Kambo treatment involves getting a burn wound on your skin, then having a frog venom on a stick applied to it. This gets absorbed through the damaged skin, people start vomiting, heart racing, sweating severely, turning dark red, severe nausea and vertigo and after that is over they feel better about themselves and decidedly more spiritual for having had The Experience.

If this sounds like a bad idea, that's not what concerns me. what concerns me is that wild frogs are caught in the Amazon and they are subjected to a treatment to entice them to produce the venom that allows you to feel spiritual and good about your ordeal. Let me take the focus off of *you* brave soul, and lets focus not on your ordeal but that of the Kambo frog.

A frog is tied up spread eagle, suspended in mid air hanging by its full weight on its spread limbs tied straight, being repeatedly stuck deep into its nostrils and ass with a straw, they do this with all the frogs they catch and that is the stuff more and more people use for their spiritual healings. Roger that.

I want to stop the proliferation of this practice which involves tying up and torturing wild animals to the point of excreting their defense venoms, outside of indigenous circles, this primarily for the sake of the frogs. Thety don't need a market for tens of thousands of frog tortures a year to meet a global demand.

Here lies a role for pharmaceutical companies, to find the active principles which have the therapeutic effect and then using these molecules as templates for either nature identical or nature derived medicines which can be mass produced without harming any frogs, and delivered in dosages that are reliable and with a greater degree of safety than the natural product. They are peptides sequenced from a dozen or so amino acids, that shouldn't be hard to produce.

I have no problem with Indigenous healers, but it shouldnt become a worldwide market ran by unscrupulous dealers.

Go eat a mushroom people!
You don't do this to frogs:




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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: Asante]
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No joke, Asante.

All one must really do is acquire some yopo seeds and prepaare them by toasting, shelling, pulverizing, mixing in lil lime and water, drying on whatever u used 2 toast. Then just razor and rail bro-han! You'll have the froggy pukey buzzing lightshow to enjoy without hurting frogs.


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
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Exactemundo!

We have a treasure trove of substances that can provide you actual entheogenic axperiences (Kambo does not) and make you as violently sick purge and detox yourself as hard as you feel you deserve, without any need to involve animal suffering in your trip.

Look at that video, its like getting high on another's tears :sad:


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: Asante]
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Non synthetic 5-meo-dmt is extracted in kind of the same way. They take a bufo alvarius toad and squeeze its poison glands and squirt it on glass then scrape it up to be consumed. :taco::cheers: Although with the frogs its different because apparently they say it gives people the extra edge to hunt for long periods of time so they can sustain themselves in the jungle.

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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: Asante] * 1
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Kambo treatment involves getting a burn wound on your skin, then having a frog venom on a stick applied to it. This gets absorbed through the damaged skin, people start vomiting, heart racing, sweating severely, turning dark red, severe nausea and vertigo and after that is over they feel better about themselves and decidedly more spiritual for having had The Experience.




This does indeed sound like a bad idea. Whats wrong with good old regular psychedelics? Frogs are people too


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: Asante]
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I don't want to get into a debate or anything, but the description of the video says the following:

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This is the full process of harvesting Kambo Frog venom and and putting venom onto carved & sanded paddle-board for storage and transport. This was done in Peruvian Amazon Rainforest about two hours out of Iquitos. The white pasty film that is scraped off the frog is whats used as medicine. The frogs are considered sacred and are not harmed in the process. You'll see this frog getting poked in the nose and but during... This is not hurting it, it is to stress the critter so it secretes more venom. Once harvested it is safely released.


I know that's one of the dumbest ways to verify information of any sort, but are the frogs actually being tortured in a harmful way? Is it possible that these people know what they are doing? Are the frogs really in pain?

Maybe I'm stupid, but I just for a moment thought about the possibility that it's not actually doing THAT much harm...But I don't know anything about anything. For reals. I just fucking say shit. So don't go all crazy on me, sir. I'm just wondering about the maybe it's not so bad...type thing. But if they are truly in pain, that would suck, they look like little aliens.

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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: remake]
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It's just hypocritical to justify this as healing medicine when it comes from the suffering of another animal. Would you like to be tied up and milked by another species?


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: JohnnieYen]
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No, I'm just wondering if the frogs are in pain, or if we're just projecting human emotions to the way it looks like. I don't want it to suffer, I just wondered about it...I'm not in favor of this.

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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: Asante]
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Don't you think its a stressful anxious experience to say the least?

Imagine doing this to a cat.


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: remake]
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I'm not attacking you, but you can't be serious that the frog is not against this.
Getting picked up by a giant, tied up and thinking that you are going to die. The stress they feel is " Hey, I'm gonna die! holy shit this sucks"


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: Asante]
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I hate all people that harm an animal for their bullshit "healing" or "medicine".


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: Asante]
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It probably is, yes. And it does seem pointless. This doesn't make sense, in anyway.

I was just hoping that it wasn't in pain, because it's really easy to sympathize with. I skipped a large part of the video, didn't like watching it. :peace:

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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: remake]
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Even jellyfish and earthworms have pain avoidance.

Pain avoidance is a good indication its an aversive stimulus.


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: Herbologist]
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Herbologist said:
I hate all people that harm an animal for their bullshit "healing" or "medicine".


Omg you damn hippy go eat another cucumber, you do realize that even vegetables cause harm to us? :taco::cheers:

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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: Asante]
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The world is fucked man. I spent like an hour walking up and down my home thinking about this type of shit. I wish I had capacity to help, yet. Hopefully in the future. I feel like a piece of poopoo. :heart:

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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: remake] * 3
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I shared the video to a journeying fb group where a bunch of vegans rave about kambo. Lol!!


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: JohnnieYen] * 1
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(s)he even cries out a few times and closes the eyelid and twists as the stick approaches to poke again. That is torture.
Imagine getting "high" (well sick) on something tortured out of an animal. Its perverse, like shooting up another's tears.
Interestingly there are vegans partaking in this, they have no clue.


Good work JohnnieYen, and feel free to drive the message home to them, they do it to meateaters too so, hit it!


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: FreeTheSoul]
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FreeTheSoul said:
Herbologist said:
I hate all people that harm an animal for their bullshit "healing" or "medicine".


Omg you damn hippy go eat another cucumber, you do realize that even vegetables cause harm to us? :taco::cheers:



Wtf are you even saying?


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: Asante]
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Its already created a discussion and most people assumed because it was in the spiritual community, that it was ethical.


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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom. [Re: JohnnieYen]
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Man what's with us wanting to fuck, eat, and smoke everything? Imagine we had like one ultimate drug that we only have to take once and trip balls forever, just go in autopilot to the best possible future and chill there?

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