The Ecstatic said:

You can punch up, or you can punch down.

Its as simple as that. Ask yourself what the majority of your political ideals involve.

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SirTripAlot said:

It's a sad fact of life: poor people don't create jobs.

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poor people create most of the jobs through consumerism.  How many lunches do you think Mark Cuban and Elon Musk eat every day?  How many haircuts can they get in a year?  If you added all the billionaires together, do you think they could use enough energy to keep PG&E running?  I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but the "job creator" myth is just that, a myth.  Do the Waltons own a business that employs many people around the world?  Sure they do, but there were shops before Walmart, hell, there were shops before the Sears Roebuck catalog, and they weren't all owned by the super-rich.  You think Jeff Bezos is in the business of creating jobs?  Just wait until your packages start getting delivered by drones and self driving trucks.

qman said:

Nobody's being locked out of where they lawfully belong.

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viktor said:

The Ecstatic said:

And before you answer "because I care about the Western worker," understand that thats a morally bankrupt position, one that writes off 85% of the world's population on the basis of them being born too far from where you were.

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How is looking after the people closest to me instead of people on the other side of the planet a morally bankrupt position?

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viktor said:

The Ecstatic said:

You can punch up, or you can punch down.

Its as simple as that. Ask yourself what the majority of your political ideals involve.

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So why are you shitting on your own working class by exposing them to mass immigration of cheap labour from the Third World?

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You didn't know, if we carefully extract the wealth of the elite there would be enough honey for all of us, that includes all the poor people who want to live in the US or EU.

Yes that's right, all of these third world migrants could join us in a sort of economic utopia which provides everyone with everything they need in life, lets join hands and grab that honey together. It's worked out so great in the past.

qman said:

You didn't know, if we carefully extract the wealth of the elite there would be enough honey for all of us

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qman said:

It's worked out so great in the past.

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ballsalsa said:

SirTripAlot said:

It's a sad fact of life: poor people don't create jobs.

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poor people create most of the jobs through consumerism.  How many lunches do you think Mark Cuban and Elon Musk eat every day?  How many haircuts can they get in a year?  If you added all the billionaires together, do you think they could use enough energy to keep PG&E running?  I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but the "job creator" myth is just that, a myth.  Do the Waltons own a business that employs many people around the world?  Sure they do, but there were shops before Walmart, hell, there were shops before the Sears Roebuck catalog, and they weren't all owned by the super-rich.  You think Jeff Bezos is in the business of creating jobs?  Just wait until your packages start getting delivered by drones and self driving trucks.

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Africa is filled with over a billion poor people, how's that booming consumer based economy working out for them these days?

Poor people can't afford to consume items other than food and shelter, that doesn't create economic prosperity.

The Ecstatic said:

Yall just cant seem to see outside of the room youve lived your entire lives inside.

Shit does not need to be like this.

"Yeah but if we let immigrants in theyll ruin everything."

Dude. You are prostitutes. You sell your labor for money, and you dont even get all you produce. You are exploited daily.

And rather than find a way out of that, you spend your time criticizing the new prostitutes who can be exploited slightly more than you. Its pathetic.

You identify more with white billionaires than brown workers. Shameful.

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"You are exploited daily"

I thought people in the West living a lifestyle multiples higher than 95% of the global population were doing the exploitation.

"criticizing the new prostitutes"

You mean wanting our immigration laws and borders enforced, I'm sorry but no one wants a free for all like you do.

Again, one can be very critical of the top 1/1000 of 1% on many issues and still want the existing immigration laws enforced, why is that concept so difficult for you to comprehend?

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

You didn't know, if we carefully extract the wealth of the elite there would be enough honey for all of us

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qman said:

It's worked out so great in the past.

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Not really, because people keep voting for politicians that support the billionaire class.

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The wealth of the elite isn't as much as many of you guys think it is, much of it is stored (cash, debt and stocks) in computers as numbers on a screen.  Their wealth is stored in assets that can change depending on the environment, there isn't some huge pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, it just isn't there.

Whatever limited wealth that could be extracted would be needed for the poor people already living in the US, not tens of millions of third world migrants.

Ecstatic is stuck in some form of an economic fantasyland that has warped his whole view of the world. He lashes out on anyone who disagrees with this radical perspective and then accuses them of bigotry. His rational, there's so much available wealth for everyone that they must be insane or racist not to share it with everyone around the world.  

Talk about being naïve, it would expect this worldview from someone in High School or early years in college, not a full aged adult.

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Yall just cant seem to see outside of the room youve lived your entire lives inside.

Shit does not need to be like this.

"Yeah but if we let immigrants in theyll ruin everything."

Dude. You are prostitutes. You sell your labor for money, and you dont even get all you produce. You are exploited daily.

And rather than find a way out of that, you spend your time criticizing the new prostitutes who can be exploited slightly more than you. Its pathetic.

You identify more with white billionaires than brown workers. Shameful.

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"You are exploited daily"

I thought people in the West living a lifestyle multiples higher than 95% of the global population were doing the exploitation.

"criticizing the new prostitutes"

You mean wanting our immigration laws and borders enforced, I'm sorry but no one wants a free for all like you do.

Again, one can be very critical of the top 1/1000 of 1% on many issues and still want the existing immigration laws enforced, why is that concept so difficult for you to comprehend?

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qman said:

ballsalsa said:

poor people create most of the jobs through consumerism.  How many lunches do you think Mark Cuban and Elon Musk eat every day?  How many haircuts can they get in a year?  If you added all the billionaires together, do you think they could use enough energy to keep PG&E running?  I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but the "job creator" myth is just that, a myth.

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Africa is filled with over a billion poor people, how's that booming consumer based economy working out for them these days?

Poor people can't afford to consume items other than food and shelter, that doesn't create economic prosperity. 

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qman said:

The wealth of the elite isn't as much as many of you guys think it is

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Perhaps that explains your ignorance.  The wealth of the elite is FAR more than most people think:


Look at how much of the country's wealth the bottom 50% has.

qman said:

Whatever limited wealth that could be extracted would be needed for the poor people already living in the US, not tens of millions of third world migrants.

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qman said:

Ecstatic is stuck in some form of an economic fantasyland that has warped his whole view of the world.

Talk about being naïve, it would expect this worldview from someone in High School or early years in college, not a full aged adult.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

ballsalsa said:

poor people create most of the jobs through consumerism.  How many lunches do you think Mark Cuban and Elon Musk eat every day?  How many haircuts can they get in a year?  If you added all the billionaires together, do you think they could use enough energy to keep PG&E running?  I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but the "job creator" myth is just that, a myth.

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Africa is filled with over a billion poor people, how's that booming consumer based economy working out for them these days?

Poor people can't afford to consume items other than food and shelter, that doesn't create economic prosperity. 

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Africans aren't paid at least the US and EU minimum wage, so they don't have the money to create the jobs they can create in the West.

And keep in mind, the areas that increased minimum wage in the US are doing BETTER.

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qman said:

Well, someone better call up Africa and tell them to create some minimum wage laws so they can start consuming like US workers, or maybe the economic fundamentals of Africa are just shitty and that's why their wages are so low.

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That's a great idea because most African countries don't have minimum wage laws. 

The Ecstatic said:

I'm done posting on this forum, enjoy the slide to fascism everybody.

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You should stop, you're getting too emotional about these issues and then resort to personally attacking the people that oppose many of your radical viewpoints.

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Well, someone better call up Africa and tell them to create some minimum wage laws so they can start consuming like US workers, or maybe the economic fundamentals of Africa are just shitty and that's why their wages are so low.

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That's a great idea because most African countries don't have minimum wage laws. 

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Because that's the solution to most of the world living in poverty relative to the Western world. Even you don't believe in such nonsense.

qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

That's a great idea because most African countries don't have minimum wage laws. 

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Because that's the solution to most of the world living in poverty relative to the Western world. Even you don't believe in such nonsense.

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