The Ecstatic said:

The issue IS reactionary.

The entirety of your discourse here is reactionary. You reacted to what a Muslim immigrant did. You reacting to what Congress did. You reacting to whatever culture war "College Professor Cucked by Free Speech Advocate" shit the daily caller happens to be churning out that day.


How are you proactive? What foundational beliefs do you have, and why do you have them? What moral imperatives should we have as a society?

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"The issue is reactionary"

The EU migrant crisis is reactionary, how so?

"The entirety of your discourse here is reactionary"

Reporting things you don't want to hear isn't reactionary. 

"How are you proactive?"

About what exactly?

"What foundational beliefs do you have?"

About what exactly?

"and why do you have them?"

I'm not on trial here, if you have a specific question please ask it.

relic said:

Bubbles85 said:

It's time we stopped being so politically correct and just admit that this multicultural experiment our politicians have embarked on is a complete and utter failure. Not because of skin colour, but because many of the cultures and ideology's now here, are simply not compatible with our own culture, or each others and never will be.

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some of what you've written is very similar to arguments made about black people in america when discussions were had about ending slavery and integrating blacks into american society...that struck me when reading posts ITT.



it's not a surprise to anyone that change is often difficult, not well received, and thought to be a failure by some when first enacted.  i think we all know and admit that, yeah?

i'm of the opinion that all of this will get easier and better as time goes on but you don't seem to be of that opinion, right?  you don't believe that the integration of muslim society into european society will get easier and better, do you?

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The Ecstatic said:

Viktor came dangerously close to sentience when he argued that the rich use race to divide us, and then he went on ranting about muslim hordes.

You think the rich want you examining the systems under which you are subdued? No, they want you attacking and blaming and being a dog chasing a car in regards to blacks, migrants, muslims, antifa, etc, a bunch of other people subdued right along beside you.

This reactionary bullshit only furthers the divide amongst the working class, the vast majority of people on this earth, and it aids those with their boots on our throats.

So why keep doing it?

And before you answer "because I care about the Western worker," understand that thats a morally bankrupt position, one that writes off 85% of the world's population on the basis of them being born too far from where you were.

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Bubbles85 said:

relic said:

Bubbles85 said:

It's time we stopped being so politically correct and just admit that this multicultural experiment our politicians have embarked on is a complete and utter failure. Not because of skin colour, but because many of the cultures and ideology's now here, are simply not compatible with our own culture, or each others and never will be.

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some of what you've written is very similar to arguments made about black people in america when discussions were had about ending slavery and integrating blacks into american society...that struck me when reading posts ITT.



it's not a surprise to anyone that change is often difficult, not well received, and thought to be a failure by some when first enacted.  i think we all know and admit that, yeah?

i'm of the opinion that all of this will get easier and better as time goes on but you don't seem to be of that opinion, right?  you don't believe that the integration of muslim society into european society will get easier and better, do you?

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I'm on my phone so won't go into major detail now (to exhausting on a tiny screen) but yes, in general, when it comes to Islam I am of that opinion.

Look at what happens when Muslims gain majority control in demographic  terms. Look at Pakistan and Turkey as two examples. Civil liberties curtailed in the name of Islam. Hard line Islamist doctrine seeping in to government policy. Not all Muslims are out right jihadists. To suggest other wise would be ridiculous, but the majority are voting for the few examples (of many) in the country's mentioned above. Watching the progression of Islam in these country's and how the religion  ultimately and inevitably begins to affects government policy and politics in general, is a clear indicator as to what will eventually happen in the West with continued, mass Muslim immigration.

Native born Britain's are all ready set to become a minority here by 2050 because of this uncontrolled (predominately  Muslim) immigration.

Muslims must not be allowed to continue too colonize the West.

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Bubbles85 said:

The Ecstatic said:

Viktor came dangerously close to sentience when he argued that the rich use race to divide us, and then he went on ranting about muslim hordes.

You think the rich want you examining the systems under which you are subdued? No, they want you attacking and blaming and being a dog chasing a car in regards to blacks, migrants, muslims, antifa, etc, a bunch of other people subdued right along beside you.

This reactionary bullshit only furthers the divide amongst the working class, the vast majority of people on this earth, and it aids those with their boots on our throats.

So why keep doing it?

And before you answer "because I care about the Western worker," understand that thats a morally bankrupt position, one that writes off 85% of the world's population on the basis of them being born too far from where you were.

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What the fuck is up with this cultural Marxist bull shit. How many people live in abject poverty In the US? Maybe focus on trying to changing things for your nation, instead of focusing on shipping the rest of the world's poor to your shores first.

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Maybe try reading it slower?

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

The issue IS reactionary.

The entirety of your discourse here is reactionary. You reacted to what a Muslim immigrant did. You reacting to what Congress did. You reacting to whatever culture war "College Professor Cucked by Free Speech Advocate" shit the daily caller happens to be churning out that day.


How are you proactive? What foundational beliefs do you have, and why do you have them? What moral imperatives should we have as a society?

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"The issue is reactionary"

The EU migrant crisis is reactionary, how so?

"The entirety of your discourse here is reactionary"

Reporting things you don't want to hear isn't reactionary. 

"How are you proactive?"

About what exactly?

"What foundational beliefs do you have?"

About what exactly?

"and why do you have them?"

I'm not on trial here, if you have a specific question please ask it.

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The Ecstatic said:

Viktor came dangerously close to sentience when he argued that the rich use race to divide us, and then he went on ranting about muslim hordes.

You think the rich want you examining the systems under which you are subdued? No, they want you attacking and blaming and being a dog chasing a car in regards to blacks, migrants, muslims, antifa, etc, a bunch of other people subdued right along beside you.

This reactionary bullshit only furthers the divide amongst the working class, the vast majority of people on this earth, and it aids those with their boots on our throats.

So why keep doing it?

And before you answer "because I care about the Western worker," understand that thats a morally bankrupt position, one that writes off 85% of the world's population on the basis of them being born too far from where you were.

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The Ecstatic said:

Is scapegoating other victims of this system that cathartic for you? Or is it just thats its easier to punch down than up?

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relic said:

Bubbles85 said:

relic said:

Bubbles85 said:

It's time we stopped being so politically correct and just admit that this multicultural experiment our politicians have embarked on is a complete and utter failure. Not because of skin colour, but because many of the cultures and ideology's now here, are simply not compatible with our own culture, or each others and never will be.

---

some of what you've written is very similar to arguments made about black people in america when discussions were had about ending slavery and integrating blacks into american society...that struck me when reading posts ITT.



it's not a surprise to anyone that change is often difficult, not well received, and thought to be a failure by some when first enacted.  i think we all know and admit that, yeah?

i'm of the opinion that all of this will get easier and better as time goes on but you don't seem to be of that opinion, right?  you don't believe that the integration of muslim society into european society will get easier and better, do you?

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I'm on my phone so won't go into major detail now (to exhausting on a tiny screen) but yes, in general, when it comes to Islam I am of that opinion.

Look at what happens when Muslims gain majority control in demographic  terms. Look at Pakistan and Turkey as two examples. Civil liberties curtailed in the name of Islam. Hard line Islamist doctrine seeping in to government policy. Not all Muslims are out right jihadists. To suggest other wise would be ridiculous, but the majority are voting for the few examples (of many) in the country's mentioned above. Watching the progression of Islam in these country's and how the religion  ultimately and inevitably begins to affects government policy and politics in general, is a clear indicator as to what will eventually happen in the West with continued, mass Muslim immigration.

Native born Britain's are all ready set to become a minority here by 2050 because of this uncontrolled (predominately  Muslim) immigration.

Muslims must not be allowed to continue too colonize the West.

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understood.

as a counterpoint, i would say take a look at Afghanistan in the 1970's.  they were as forward as any back then, but when the cold war touched them it set off a downward cascade that has spiraled Afghanistan back into the pre-1930's era.

i'm not smart enough to know how to reverse the last 40 years of western meddling into the business of ME nations or how to better integrate muslims into western society.  hopefully there are people who are so and they get on it.

how is your (sister's?) friend.  sorry, i forget how you know the young lady that was sexually assaulted.  is she doing any better?  i know she probably has many years of trying to cope with what happened to her.  hopefully she gets the professional help she needs to clean up the mental scars.

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SirTripAlot said:

Americas "poverty" is a pretty high standard of living, compared to most other countries poverty.

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The Ecstatic said:

Please, this thread's been off topic for 500 pages.


The point is this: why does anyone keep up with politics? I will assume its because you want to be informed about the problems around you, and have the knowledge to push for solutions.


But time and time again, all I see on this sub is people trying to treat symptoms.

WHY is the far right rising?
WHY are millions of people fleeing their homes?
WHY do these problems exist?

Its a little deeper than "well theyre lazy," or "cultural marxism."



I just want some fucking critical thought for once. It seems to me we've all acknowledged, to varying degrees, that the super rich cabal of corporate interests are controlling almost every major aspect of global society. And yet half of you still sit here and post links about petty thefts by immigrants, as if thats even close to the most pressing issue.


Enough of the culture war shit.
Enough demomizing Muslims.
Enough fearmongering in general.
Enough red vs blue "my side is marginally more polite as it rapes the 99%" shit.


The rich are killing us. What do we do about them?

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The Ecstatic said:

I posit how we deal with the rich crushing us and i get answers about how to better lock out other poor people.

gg shroomery

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The Ecstatic said:

And before you answer "because I care about the Western worker," understand that thats a morally bankrupt position, one that writes off 85% of the world's population on the basis of them being born too far from where you were.

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