The Ecstatic said:

White people are good and brown people are bad.

How are you not getting this, tip?

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Maxilla said:

Please elaborate on all the benefits Asian immigration has brought to New Zealand.

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viktor said:

The Ecstatic said:

White people are good and brown people are bad.

How are you not getting this, tip?

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Are Koreans white people in your mind? Are Russians brown people?

Can your mind comprehend such a possibility?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Bubbles85 said:

The vast majority dont integrate and no one is going to tell me other wise, because I'm witnessing the full effects of this shit day in day out with my own eyes.

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Again, if people settle together and don't integrate, I agree that may be problematic.  But you don't seem to be aware of those who do integrate because they are integrated.

I know many Muslims here in San Francisco Bay Area who have integrated well, and Tip knows them where he lives as well.  You're talking about a minority of Muslim immigrants.

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

It's about the ideology as a whole.

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You assume one expression of this ideology you talk about and you use it to talk about Muslims in general. Do you not see how that is damaging? If you have broad assumptions about an entire religious group of multiple variations, do you not think innocent people are going to get caught up in violence by people who target indiscriminately just as they condemn indiscriminately?

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Fuck Islamophobia and the all the other politically correct, bull shit terms that appear out of thin air to silence opposition. These people are not and never were welcome here by the working classes and the native masses. End of story.

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What you call "PC" is what I call "not being a dick". Why do you think terms like islamophobia silence opposition? There is a difference between criticism and islamophobia.

the fact that youre saying "these people are not and never were welcome here" clearly says you give a blanket rejection of all Muslims in the UK/EU. What do you want done?

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qman said:

relic said:

is there a chinatown where you live?  how about a little italy?  a lot of those chinese and italian immigrants don't integrate either (at all). some people in those populations are extremely misogynistic and some of them rape women from other communities. 

is the only distinction you make between the above groups and muslims the islamic religion?  not a gotcha question, just dialogue btw.

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Of course Islam is a major factor, isn't that basically stating the obvious? 

Also, Chinatown's and little Italy's are terrible analogies to what we're discussing, but you already know that fact.

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China town's and little Italy's are not really a phenomenon in the UK, little Islamabad's on the other hand are expanding at light speed. Also, the Chinese that are here generally integrate very well.

xzylocybin said:

Why focus so heavily on the color of these peoples skin? Africa is mostly a hell hole, people there are more likely to be uneducated and from broken households where they grew up surrounded by crime and tragedy, why would anyone want people like this moving to their developed first world nations? South Koreans on the other hand are very industrious and most were raised to value hard work and respect and ambition. It has to do way more with history and culture and evolution than skin color.

It should be decided on an individual basis, but that option goes out the window when you have thousands of africans with no id or papers showing up at your border every day demanding asylum. At that point you are forced to choose one of two extremes, let them all in or deport them all. Many countries are starting to realize they made the wrong decision.

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xzylocybin said:

Why focus so heavily on the color of these peoples skin? Africa is mostly a hell hole, people there are more likely to be uneducated and from broken households where they grew up surrounded by crime and tragedy, why would anyone want people like this moving to their developed first world nations? South Koreans on the other hand are very industrious and most were raised to value hard work and respect and ambition. It has to do way more with history and culture and evolution than skin color.

It should be decided on an individual basis, but that option goes out the window when you have thousands of africans with no id or papers showing up at your border every day demanding asylum. At that point you are forced to choose one of two extremes, let them all in or deport them all. Many countries are starting to realize they made the wrong decision.

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qman said:

He definitely is the exception of the rule in my opinion, he comes from a very wealthy and educated family.  That's obviously not the norm, my guess is that he doesn't think very highly of the migrants that flood into the EU.

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Also, are you suggesting no-go zones don't exist in the EU?

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viktor said:

Tipote said:

Immigration can be positive and negative. Why can't you be specific instead of blanket condemnations?

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I am specific. Immigration from Europeans and Far East Asians is positive and I approve of it, immigration from Africans and Muslims is negative and I reject it.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

He definitely is the exception of the rule in my opinion, he comes from a very wealthy and educated family.  That's obviously not the norm, my guess is that he doesn't think very highly of the migrants that flood into the EU.

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So with wealth and education, third world leeches become ok? Or were these exceptions always wealthy and educated?

I've met Syrian refugees that are doctors and engineers, and some have had to have had the money in order to get out of Syria in the first place. Why do you assume there aren't more people not dissimilar from your thanksgiving guest who are right now stuck in Greek refugee camps?

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Also, are you suggesting no-go zones don't exist in the EU?

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I asked you where these no-go zones were. Have you been to one? I don't think they are what they are characterised to be.

I know that in some parts of France the police don't want to go very often because they face a lot of community anger, but thats more about a breakdown in community relations rather than a colonial racial segregation, as Bubbles likes to characterise it. I know some parts of my, very white and working class, hometown where police don't want to go for the same reason.

Maybe in France if the some communities' experiences of the police didn't involve stuff like being violated with police batons then marginalised communities maybe would be more welcoming. And if you start with the premise, as I assume you do, that black and arab people brought it on themselves then you'll just turn a blind eye to the reasons why breaking down of relations have occurred..and the gulf becomes greater.

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Bubbles85 said:

The vast majority do settle together. Segregating them selves in their own communities. Colonizing working class area's that 20 years back were predominantly white British. The minority integrate, not the majority.

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Bubbles85 said:

I don't take tip seriously when it comes to discussing Islam any more. He clearly has some kind of vested interest in continued Muslim expansion from the Middle East in Britain and the rest of Europe.

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What vested interest do I have in having more Muslims? This makes no sense.

Bubbles85 said:

He's stated many times he visits mosques and his girlfriend wears hijab.

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So what? I defended marginalised groups years before I ever stepped into a mosque. And so what my gf wears hijab? What does that prove?

Bubbles85 said:

He seems to embrace the destruction of the native British population, the culture and way of life my ancestors have faught and died to protect and preserve.

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My ancestors also fought and died to protect this country too, the culture that my ancestors defended was not exclusive to white christian people. What interest do you think I possibly have in the "destruction of the native British population"?? 95% of my entire family are white European. Are you going to use the logic that Zionists use against Jews when they criticise the terrorist policies of Israel? Am I the equivalent of a so called "self-hating Jew"?

I've consistently supported the idea that our country invests in people living here so that we don't have to depend on immigration to fill gaps that our government has left to fester. If we invested in NHS training ourselves, we wouldn't be so fucked that a significant chunk of our NHS staff will leave the UK because of Brexit, thus leaving our NHS in an even shiter state than before. Remember the leave campaigns promise of another £350 million a week for the NHS? 

What I reject is your "white genocide" argument which uses terms like colonialism and oppression (though without the irony). We won't have sharia law in this country. Statistics that show that white British are a declining majority are restricted by some assumptions - that levels of immigration under corporate-New Labour Blair - would continue til 2060 which clearly won't happen as most people disagree with those levels. Also its based on the idea that fertility rates of white people are in decline. People are having less sex and aren't building families like previous generations. To talk like locking up the border will fix problems is to ignore the failures of our government to do their job and promote the development of working class people, and therefore the whole of society.

If we firmly locked up the border from now on, would you support policies to artificially maintain a white majority through demographic warfare - in the case that white British people dont have enough kids?

qman said:

The very fact that these no-go zone communities exist tells us that "multiculturalism" involving Africans and Muslims into the EU is very problematic. Why would anyone want to see more of this issue, obviously not EU citizens.

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qman said:

"So with wealth and education, third world leeches become ok?"
Number one, he was born in the US and is a US citizen,

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number two very wealthy people aren't leeches on a nations social services

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Tipote said:

qman said:

The very fact that these no-go zone communities exist tells us that "multiculturalism" involving Africans and Muslims into the EU is very problematic. Why would anyone want to see more of this issue, obviously not EU citizens.

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is that the second or third time you've avoided giving me an example of no-go zones?

your blanket rejection of Africans and Muslims is based on your prejudice towards them.. except when you find an exception to your rule.

qman said:

"So with wealth and education, third world leeches become ok?"
Number one, he was born in the US and is a US citizen,

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I'm pretty sure you said he grew up most of his life in Syria?

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number two very wealthy people aren't leeches on a nations social services

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thats a generalisation, i thought you don't like generalisations?

What about all the tax cuts for rich people? Do they not have an impact on social services?

Should we set immigration policy to be along class lines? Were your polish family very wealthy when they came to the US?

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"giving me an example of no-go zones?"

You just acknowledged the existence of "no-go zones" and now you want me to offer proof?

"your prejudice towards them"

Everyone prejudges groups of people with common characteristics, yourself included.

"set immigration policy to be along class lines"

Many others nations do it, it's not a bad idea in my opinion. Also, my Polish ancestors were not wealthy when the came to the US, but again they had jobs waiting and used no social services because it didn't even exist.  There's a huge distinction between the role of government today relative to 100 years ago.

The Ecstatic said:

"I'm racist because human nature" is not an argument I would use.

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qman said:

"giving me an example of no-go zones?"
You just acknowledged the existence of "no-go zones" and now you want me to offer proof?

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"your prejudice towards them"
Everyone prejudges groups of people with common characteristics, yourself included.

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qman said:

"set immigration policy to be along class lines"
Many others nations do it, it's not a bad idea in my opinion. Also, my Polish ancestors were not wealthy when the came to the US, but again they had jobs waiting and used no social services because it didn't even exist.  There's a huge distinction between the role of government today relative to 100 years ago.

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

"I'm racist because human nature" is not an argument I would use.

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Why do you prejudge others based on their sex, race, social-economic status or age?

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