Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

If Islam Was A White Religion

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I don't have a problem with criticism of Islam, nor with the rejection of Islamofascism. I reject demonising all Muslims (the vast majority of whom agree with my previous sentence) and rejecting their presence in the West. Its about nuance and not feeding narratives that ultimately affect people's lives unjustly. Statements like "islam is incompatible with the west" is absolute bullshit and only fuels hatred against innocent people. Does that affect the minority of assholes? Not really, it makes their point.

Understand that race and religion cross over so xenophobia/racism can certainly take the form of islamophobia. I know a bunch of Muslims and some are told that they don't "look Muslim", what do you think that means? Sure there are white Muslims but by and large, they are brown and black. I think this argument that "there are white Muslims so its not racist to hate on muslims" is disingenuous.

This video is laughable. "this is just another way of blaming white people of the crime of islam"


You still dont get it.

Answer me this:
What examples of people being charged with hate crimes are considered unfair by this guy? He doesn't give any examples. Do you have any?

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Tipote said:

Its about nuance and not feeding narratives that ultimately affect people's lives unjustly.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I only watched the first minute, but I can tell you a big problem with it.

Liberals don't deny there are some nasty Muslims out there.  We deny that most American (or British, or EU) Muslims are nasty, and that's what you appear to struggle to understand.

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

If Islam Was A White Religion

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I don't have a problem with criticism of Islam, nor with the rejection of Islamofascism. I reject demonising all Muslims (the vast majority of whom agree with my previous sentence) and rejecting their presence in the West. Its about nuance and not feeding narratives that ultimately affect people's lives unjustly. Statements like "islam is incompatible with the west" is absolute bullshit and only fuels hatred against innocent people. Does that affect the minority of assholes? Not really, it makes their point.

Understand that race and religion cross over so xenophobia/racism can certainly take the form of islamophobia. I know a bunch of Muslims and some are told that they don't "look Muslim", what do you think that means? Sure there are white Muslims but by and large, they are brown and black. I think this argument that "there are white Muslims so its not racist to hate on muslims" is disingenuous.

This video is laughable. "this is just another way of blaming white people of

You still dont get it.

Answer me this:
What examples of people being charged with hate crimes are considered unfair by this guy? He doesn't give any examples. Do you have any?

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Bubbles85 said:

The vast majority dont integrate and no one is going to tell me other wise, because I'm witnessing the full effects of this shit day in day out with my own eyes.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Bubbles85 said:

The vast majority dont integrate and no one is going to tell me other wise, because I'm witnessing the full effects of this shit day in day out with my own eyes.

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Again, if people settle together and don't integrate, I agree that may be problematic.  But you don't seem to be aware of those who do integrate because they are integrated.

I know many Muslims here in San Francisco Bay Area who have integrated well, and Tip knows them where he lives as well.  You're talking about a minority of Muslim immigrants.

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Bubbles85 said:

It's about the ideology as a whole.

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Fuck Islamophobia and the all the other politically correct, bull shit terms that appear out of thin air to silence opposition. These people are not and never were welcome here by the working classes and the native masses. End of story.

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Bubbles85 said:

He never said any thing about hate crimes. He said hate speech. Also the video makes a very good point about your kinds never ending battle to defend Muslims.

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viktor said:

Tipote said:

Its about nuance and not feeding narratives that ultimately affect people's lives unjustly.

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Islamic immigration has massively affected the lives of Westerners unjustly.

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DEEZEDBRAH said:

I am more fascinated that, feminists demonize masculinity, and yet, celebrate Muslim doctrine. It is comical given the perspective said piece feels towards women and making sandwiches.

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relic said:

is there a chinatown where you live?  how about a little italy?  a lot of those chinese and italian immigrants don't integrate either (at all). some people in those populations are extremely misogynistic and some of them rape women from other communities. 

is the only distinction you make between the above groups and muslims the islamic religion?  not a gotcha question, just dialogue btw.

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qman said:

Also, Chinatown's and little Italy's are terrible analogies to what we're discussing, but you already know that fact.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

Also, Chinatown's and little Italy's are terrible analogies to what we're discussing, but you already know that fact.

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Why?

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its funny - all this talk of no-go zones. Where are they? I'm told there are some in London but I've never found them. By no-go zones, do you mean areas that you wouldn't want to go because there are too many brown faces? I'm honestly trying to understand because this term is bull shit as far as I can see. 

Islamic communities in London and elsewhere in England and in the US are extremely welcoming, what are you talking about? I've had some pretty damn fine hospitality all my life.

Are you speaking from experience?

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You said:
I had a great Thanksgiving with this Syrian young man, he was very intelligent, funny and just a pleasure to be around. .
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24802750#24802750

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Tipote said:

its funny - all this talk of no-go zones. Where are they? I'm told there are some in London but I've never found them. By no-go zones, do you mean areas that you wouldn't want to go because there are too many brown faces? I'm honestly trying to understand because this term is bull shit as far as I can see. 

Islamic communities in London and elsewhere in England and in the US are extremely welcoming, what are you talking about? I've had some pretty damn fine hospitality all my life.

Are you speaking from experience?

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You said:
I had a great Thanksgiving with this Syrian young man, he was very intelligent, funny and just a pleasure to be around. .
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24802750#24802750

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Do you realise that your condemnation of Muslims fuels a narrative that affects your dear thanksgiving guest?

Or is he the one exception to the made up rule?

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Tipote said:

Immigration can be positive and negative. Why can't you be specific instead of blanket condemnations?

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