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Internet radicalisation * 9
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There have been a few posters I've known over the years here who have been radicalised over the internet, its obviously very concerning.

I remember Bodhi being somewhat alright at some point long ago and gradually he became pretty much a Nazi.

Now with what has happened to Akira, I just think.. what the fuck..?. He used to defend against Islamophobia, seemed to generally be open minded, and now he is frothing at the mouth with hatred against the so called "anti-white agenda" and is calling for a genocide of leftists, socialists, antifascists, whatever. :confused:

I've also known people in real life who have been radicalised, though they have tended to also have issues with mental illness. The NHS now is being starved of funding by the conservative government so mental health support is virtually nonexistent. I know people now either pumped with reality distorting drugs or just left to explore their delusions.

Does anyone else have similar experiences?

Personally, I find that the state of global politics is enough to make anyone a bit radical. I've certainly moved further to the left. The relationship between political events, a lack of mental health support and the rabbit holes you can find on the internet can be pretty toxic.. it also puts terror attacks in some context.

I briefly read a headline somewhere that suggested that it was the state of hyper capitalism that has helped produce alienated and angry people who are prone to radicalisation and then violence.

Any thoughts on this?


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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: Tipote] * 5
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the so called "anti-white agenda"


you refuse to acknowledge the truth yet again, even though it has been put to you time and time again, you are the one who is radicalised, because you believe that "whiteness" is inherently privileged, which is a farce, and has been proven to be so- not to mention the farce that is "BLM" and many another "anti-white" group.

Islam is another story. i hate all religions for their philosophically blinding people- but i don't hate individuals (lest they've wronged me)- and Muslims, that are moderates, are perfectly fine people- and i've NEVER had changed my views otherwise.

the only views i have changed at all, mind you, is the view that "the right are bad and the left is inherently right".

wrong.

the right wing had a point all along, the far-right elements are still stupid, and impotent, like all racists are, and nazis are still wrong, as proven by me, to Bodhi, when i showed that the ethnostate always leads to war. you can agree but you refuse to see the truth, because i am now your enemy, and thusly you refuse to see what i have told him as something that could be agreed upon by you.

someone tell this norm to un-nig me, and stop being a pussy and address my argumentation.

(or not, it might be useless to anyway)

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: Tipote] * 4
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The younger generations have become so disenfranchised theyre reaching out for anything to grab hold to. The neoliberal concensus has failed us all to varying degrees, that we all know.

But why?

Ask a recently radicalized leftist, theyll tell you our oligarchic capitalist system shut out the 99%.

Ask a recently radicalized right winger, theyll tell you thr globalists are using minorities to destroy Western civilization.

In my mind, only one of them sounds reasonable. But not everyone is as smart as I am.


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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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The younger generations have become so disenfranchised theyre reaching out for anything to grab hold to. The neoliberal concensus has failed us all to varying degrees, that we all know.



as have the socialists, time and time again;and now you play part and parcel to the neoliberal agenda, because you feel so disenfranchised yourself.

that is how ironic your statements actually are, but you'll never realize until all is said and done- and you'll probably still cling to socialism, cause you're a convert. you're as "intellectually hefty" as Cenk or something.

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Ask a recently radicalized leftist, theyll tell you our oligarchic capitalist system shut out the 99%.
Ask a recently radicalized right winger, theyll tell you thr globalists are using minorities to destroy Western civilization.


you're a fool. both are correct. you are just blind.
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the accumulation of immigration, via disturbing neoliberalist/collectivist policies, will displace the native (and native american/Indian) work force, what piddling we have left, left for the an immigrant workforce, that can replace workers at a whim, which is done to line the pockets of the neoliberal elite. afterwards, your necessity for international trade will replace the native work force, be they white or black or any race at all, with "newcomers", as they will be lovingly called, and with socialist/collectivist international policies, which will make a welfare state.


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24774971#24774971


and socialists that want to take "more direct action" (propaganda of the deed) are more radicalist than i am with my fucking WORDS!

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: The Ecstatic] * 4
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I'm a believer in empirical (real world) evidence.  Let's compare the US to the EU.

Here we can see that incomes have been growing faster in countries with more socialism than they have in the US:



However, I believe incomes for the top 1% have been growing faster in the US.

So I guess the better system depends on which is more important to you.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
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I still don't get the right wing focus on "they're taking our jobs!"

No-one has taken my job. Such is the nature of skilled, educated work. I'm hard to replace. Very few people have my specific skillset, and most of them have work.

Anybody whining about losing jobs to outsourcing, or minorities, or what have you: Shut up, and become irreplaceable. Until you do, I won't take your burger-flipping ass seriously. I did that shit as a teenager, and went to college in a valuable field specifically because I didn't wanna do that. If you can't figure out a way to make yourself valuable at market price, well, don't be surprised when your market value drops below the poverty level. Plenty of people worldwide survive on a dollar a day just fine. That's called being replaceable. If I can get someone to do your dollar a day job for 95 cents, your ass is on the curb.

Call me a libtard leftist elite. Do it. I am elite. That's why I have a job, and that's why I have job security. Deal with it. The best people will follow in my footsteps, and elite it up themselves. I wasn't born into the top 15%. I'm there now. I'm still trying to go up a few tax brackets in my lifetime, and I'm willing to pay for your college so you can too.

If there's one thing I've learned in all my years of observation of other people, it's that there is no inherent intelligence. Sure, there's something to say for talent, but the actually hard stuff takes nothing but time. If you put in the time, you can do whatever you want, even if you don't have talent. If you won't put in the time, well, this here immigrant will do your job twice as well at half the pay. There's the curb.

EDIT: Falcon: what's the graph? explain please?

Edited by Kryptos (11/13/17 06:36 PM)

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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Agreed.  I've asked akira what he does for a living, but he hasn't responded.  Not sure if he's shared that information in the pub with anyone?  :shrug:


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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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i've explained i work for my self-employed step father.

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Very few people have my specific skillset, and most of them have work.


well, that would explain it.

but besides that, i don't think it's just about "take our jerbs", but more about the destruction of rural states due to lack of funding, and due to urban cities, in blue states, mainly, consolidating so much of the commercial business in the US- especially in the tech world.

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
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I gotta say it's fascinating as fuck to watch. We're talking about actual radicalization, not just an evolution of political philosophy. It's like a total reprogramming of someone's core values.

The best example I can think of is Bodhi once being so angry about the treatment of natives that he wanted to kill white people, and in a few short months was literally spewing white nationalist talking points and praising Trump for approving the Dakota access pipeline.

Truly fascinating.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: koods] * 3
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ANTIFA went out, day of the election, to "bash" Trump supporters on the streets. if that isn't radical, i don't know what is. that is what did it for me. not any words. but their actions and the evidence therefrom.

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
i've explained i work for my self-employed step father.

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Very few people have my specific skillset, and most of them have work.


well, that would explain it.

but besides that, i don't think it's just about "take our jerbs", but more about the destruction of rural states due to lack of funding, and due to urban cities, in blue states, mainly, consolidating so much of the commercial business in the US- especially in the tech world.


Yeah, because it's not worth doing anything in some rural shithole. The customers are in the cities, the production is in the cities, the culture is in the cities, all that's left in the country are some bombed-out-looking houses and a bunch of hicks that think a two story 5 bedroom is a mansion.

Rural life is nice for when you're doing some unskilled, backbreaking labor. Like farming, or shoveling poo. If that's what you want, cool! people do that for a dollar a day. If that's not what you want, then get your shit together, and move to the cities. that's where life happens. Capitalism says: rural folk are poor idiots. Even with all the farm subsidies.

Computers don't do so well when they're half drowned in mud and shit in some leaky barn. That's why the tech industry doesn't go out in the country. This is called progress. Capitalism says, computers are worth more to us. So, get with the program, or starve. Or ask for more of the socialist subsidies that keep your rural life barely afloat on subsistence wages as it.

Edited by Kryptos (11/13/17 06:45 PM)

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
ANTIFA went out, day of the election, to "bash" Trump supporters on the streets. if that isn't radical, i don't know what is. that is what did it for me. not any words. but their actions and the evidence therefrom.


Those that did that have been radicalized. The alt right is a truly potent radicalizer these days. So is ISIS. The same process is happening with all these ideologies - breeding resentment, then weaponizing it.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
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akira_akuma said:
i've explained i work for my self-employed step father.

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Very few people have my specific skillset, and most of them have work.


well, that would explain it.

but besides that, i don't think it's just about "take our jerbs", but more about the destruction of rural states due to lack of funding, and due to urban cities, in blue states, mainly, consolidating so much of the commercial business in the US- especially in the tech world.


Good lord. You think socialism is a scourge, then say the real problem in the us is not enough distribution of wealth from rich urban areas to poor rural ones. Make up your mind.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: koods]
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koods said:
akira_akuma said:
ANTIFA went out, day of the election, to "bash" Trump supporters on the streets. if that isn't radical, i don't know what is. that is what did it for me. not any words. but their actions and the evidence therefrom.


Those that did that have been radicalized. The alt right is a truly potent radicalizer these days. So is ISIS. The same process is happening with all these ideologies - breeding resentment, then weaponizing it.


I would argue that many of my latest posts have been radicalizing as well, specifically in Political. Last two posts are an example. I've been focusing less on trying to understand the right wing mindset, and spending more time bashing it for the more (in my opinion) idiotic moments in the logic. Similar things have been going on with more right wing posters, and I've noticed something similar going on across the internet. Everyone retreats to their camp, and treats everyone else as a potential threat that must be eradicated with overwhelming force.

I've always though of the president as the face of the country. Our president likes to threaten overwhelming force at any provocation, doesn't he?

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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The Ecstatic said:
The younger generations have become so disenfranchised theyre reaching out for anything to grab hold to. The neoliberal concensus has failed us all to varying degrees, that we all know.

But why?

Ask a recently radicalized leftist, theyll tell you our oligarchic capitalist system shut out the 99%.

Ask a recently radicalized right winger, theyll tell you thr globalists are using minorities to destroy Western civilization.

In my mind, only one of them sounds reasonable. But not everyone is as smart as I am.


There's a degree of truth in BOTH of those movements.

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: qman]
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Yeah, because it's not worth doing anything in some rural shithole. The customers are in the cities, the production is in the cities, the culture is in the cities, all that's left in the country are some bombed-out-looking houses and a bunch of hicks that think a two story 5 bedroom is a mansion.


it's only that way because it's been made that way by enforcing the socialist cause of consolidation over representation.

rural is being choked out of existence, because all businesses have to leave to cities, in order to be competitive. this is due to price controls, and due to rampant regulations over businesses, who either have to, as i've said, go to the cities, or leave the nation altogether- leaving only the cities in riches.

qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
The younger generations have become so disenfranchised theyre reaching out for anything to grab hold to. The neoliberal concensus has failed us all to varying degrees, that we all know.

But why?

Ask a recently radicalized leftist, theyll tell you our oligarchic capitalist system shut out the 99%.

Ask a recently radicalized right winger, theyll tell you thr globalists are using minorities to destroy Western civilization.

In my mind, only one of them sounds reasonable. But not everyone is as smart as I am.


There's a degree of truth in BOTH of those movements.


exactly.

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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Kryptos said:
koods said:
akira_akuma said:
ANTIFA went out, day of the election, to "bash" Trump supporters on the streets. if that isn't radical, i don't know what is. that is what did it for me. not any words. but their actions and the evidence therefrom.


Those that did that have been radicalized. The alt right is a truly potent radicalizer these days. So is ISIS. The same process is happening with all these ideologies - breeding resentment, then weaponizing it.


I would argue that many of my latest posts have been radicalizing as well, specifically in Political. Last two posts are an example. I've been focusing less on trying to understand the right wing mindset, and spending more time bashing it for the more (in my opinion) idiotic moments in the logic. Similar things have been going on with more right wing posters, and I've noticed something similar going on across the internet. Everyone retreats to their camp, and treats everyone else as a potential threat that must be eradicated with overwhelming force.

I've always though of the president as the face of the country. Our president likes to threaten overwhelming force at any provocation, doesn't he?


Trump trolls both the left and the right, but it's only the left that ends up throwing fits over it.

It's the same thing with the internet and social media, humans are tribal by nature and gravitate towards certain groups for safety and comfort.

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: koods]
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koods said:
akira_akuma said:
ANTIFA went out, day of the election, to "bash" Trump supporters on the streets. if that isn't radical, i don't know what is. that is what did it for me. not any words. but their actions and the evidence therefrom.


Those that did that have been radicalized. The alt right is a truly potent radicalizer these days. So is ISIS. The same process is happening with all these ideologies - breeding resentment, then weaponizing it.


but as i've said, the origins of the alt-right are not "nazi". you simply refuse to believe me? i am TELLING you THE TRUTH, however you want to take it...i am trying to convince you of no less. the original "alt-right" was libertarian and peaceful...you know, like Gary Johnson type libertarian, only sans the "open borders" stuff. that was one of the few actual "alt-right revelations" that you can attribute to their origins...the nazi shits took it over as a joke...as is the tendency on 4Chan, considering the aspect of anonymity attracting trolls.

you can either believe me or not...the only source of the "alt-right" before the term was, again, co-apted by someone, this Spencer, whom the troll 4Chan nazbol types aren't even a fan of (Jewishness) (you see how this works yet?), and he did NOT invent the term, this much is at least able to be confirmed even by you with a quick search. and the rest is up to you, because all evidence of waht i'm telling you would be from anon sources anyway, considering the goddamn source is ANONYMOUS.

but take it how you will. i'm worn out. i've TRIED explaining it to you.

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Good lord. You think socialism is a scourge, then say the real problem in the us is not enough distribution of wealth from rich urban areas to poor rural ones. Make up your mind.


after all is said and done, and NOW you finally bring an argument?

yeah, socialism is a bandaid solution. just do a search, look, for fucks sake, at all the times i've said "socialism is a useful stop-gap to inequality, but it doesn't fix the entire problem".

so what is your retort?

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Re: Internet radicalisation [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
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Yeah, because it's not worth doing anything in some rural shithole. The customers are in the cities, the production is in the cities, the culture is in the cities, all that's left in the country are some bombed-out-looking houses and a bunch of hicks that think a two story 5 bedroom is a mansion.


it's only that way because it's been made that way by enforcing the socialist cause of consolidation over representation.

rural is being choked out of existence, because all businesses have to leave to cities, in order to be competitive. this is due to price controls, and due to rampant regulations over businesses, who either have to, as i've said, go to the cities, or leave the nation altogether- leaving only the cities in riches.

qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
The younger generations have become so disenfranchised theyre reaching out for anything to grab hold to. The neoliberal concensus has failed us all to varying degrees, that we all know.

But why?

Ask a recently radicalized leftist, theyll tell you our oligarchic capitalist system shut out the 99%.

Ask a recently radicalized right winger, theyll tell you thr globalists are using minorities to destroy Western civilization.

In my mind, only one of them sounds reasonable. But not everyone is as smart as I am.


There's a degree of truth in BOTH of those movements.


exactly.



Consolidation over representation? HAHAHA, look at the electoral college results! Trump won on *RURAL* counties, while *LOSING* the popular vote. Rural communities are over-represented, if anything. Or, yeah, let's talk about price controls. A pound of unsubsidized beef in the US costs nearly $50, until all that socialist money goes to the poor, rural farmers who couldn't sell a chunk of cow otherwise if they offered a free blowjob with every purchase.

Shit man, let's go back to the halcyon days of 1950s deregulation. Then let's watch everyone with two brain cells to rub together get the fuck outta the country and into the cities, just like they did 60 years ago. The free market has spoken. Your country life is worthless. Or, well, worth sub-poverty wages.

Wanna go back some more, to complete deregulation, ala 1750s? Yeah, hope you're one of the plantation owners or live in a city, because otherwise you're a literal slave.

akira_akuma said:
koods said:
akira_akuma said:
ANTIFA went out, day of the election, to "bash" Trump supporters on the streets. if that isn't radical, i don't know what is. that is what did it for me. not any words. but their actions and the evidence therefrom.


Those that did that have been radicalized. The alt right is a truly potent radicalizer these days. So is ISIS. The same process is happening with all these ideologies - breeding resentment, then weaponizing it.


but as i've said, the origins of the alt-right are not "nazi". you simply refuse to believe me? i am TELLING you THE TRUTH, however you want to take it...i am trying to convince you of no less. the original "alt-right" was libertarian and peaceful...you know, like Gary Johnson type libertarian, only sans the "open borders" stuff. that was one of the few actual "alt-right revelations" that you can attribute to their origins...the nazi shits took it over as a joke...as is the tendency on 4Chan, considering the aspect of anonymity attracting trolls.

you can either believe me or not...the only source of the "alt-right" before the term was, again, co-apted by someone, this Spencer, whom the troll 4Chan nazbol types aren't even a fan of (Jewishness) (you see how this works yet?), and he did NOT invent the term, this much is at least able to be confirmed even by you with a quick search. and the rest is up to you, because all evidence of waht i'm telling you would be from anon sources anyway, considering the goddamn source is ANONYMOUS.

but take it how you will. i'm worn out. i've TRIED explaining it to you.

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Good lord. You think socialism is a scourge, then say the real problem in the us is not enough distribution of wealth from rich urban areas to poor rural ones. Make up your mind.


after all is said and done, and NOW you finally bring an argument?

yeah, socialism is a bandaid solution. just do a search, look, for fucks sake, at all the times i've said "socialism is a useful stop-gap to inequality, but it doesn't fix the entire problem".

so what is your retort?


Alright. Well, let's go talk about how language works. Do you know what an "assassin" is? Because up unitl Shakespeare wrote it down, literally no-one did. Guess what? the alt-right may have *at one point* been peaceful libertarians, but now you're all nazis. Sorry. If you don't wanna be called a nazi, stop being affiliated with the movement in words and actions. If you don't wanna do that, live with the nazi tag. It's like living in a rural area: get the fuck out, or suck it up, loser.

Finally, I believe Koods' retort still stands, because you are literally in one paragraph arguing both for and against socialism.

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Consolidation over representation? HAHAHA, look at the electoral college results! Trump won on *RURAL* counties, while *LOSING* the popular vote. Rural communities are over-represented, if anything.


facetiousness.

the votes were not "tipped" in favor of Trump, and he was not "overrepresented", it was just the favor of the rural states that won out, due to lack of voter turn out for Clinton, and due to the rural states being the clinger, that Hillary never took advantage of to campaign in-and-around, and those rural states were literally hurting for Trump, so their turnout was huge.

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A pound of unsubsidized beef in the US costs nearly $50, until all that socialist money goes to the poor, rural farmers who couldn't sell a chunk of cow otherwise if they offered a free blowjob with every purchase.


LOL, you're funny bro. let's talk price fixing...um...yeah, it's 50 bucks before subsidies...now let's talk "no price fixing". the seller can now name his own price, and competitors can make their's.

you're out of your depth.

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Shit man, let's go back to the halcyon days of 1950s deregulation. Then let's watch everyone with two brain cells to rub together get the fuck outta the country and into the cities, just like they did 60 years ago. The free market has spoken. Your country life is worthless. Or, well, worth sub-poverty wages.


due to your collectivizing and centralizing the economy around subsidies and government regulatory bodies, that contort all of natural ecology and the economy surrounding it, to benefit the government in their funding these subsidies.

you are the reason for the backlash...people like you is why there is political upheaval.

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Wanna go back some more, to complete deregulation, ala 1750s? Yeah, hope you're one of the plantation owners or live in a city, because otherwise you're a literal slave.


more facetious foolishness, that can't be taken seriously. presentism. look it up, before you beclown yourself further.

we had a much different mindset to human endeavor in the 1700s.

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Alright. Well, let's go talk about how language works. Do you know what an "assassin" is? Because up unitl Shakespeare wrote it down, literally no-one did. Guess what? the alt-right may have *at one point* been peaceful libertarians, but now you're all nazis.


typically foolish. what you are referring to is "usage", and usage, yes, does change...it can changed due to cultural shift of the usage, or due to propaganda. if it's the latter, it's disingenuous- not that you'd care if it was, you're a...well...just look at you. snickering away.

Shakespeare also said it best when he said "love spirals downward"

it will be...just keep up this bullshit.

Edited by akira_akuma (11/13/17 07:36 PM)

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