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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
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I'm not gonna spoonfeed you bro


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Edited by akira_akuma (07/15/17 11:46 PM)

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: akira_akuma]
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Far-right outrage machine in full effect.

It's not like throwing Leftists out of helicopters isn't a super popular "meme", but how dare someone make a music video featuring violence against them!

Are you all so easily triggered? What happened to support of free speech and the right to offend?


Here's some more "antifa" music for your enjoyment:


























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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
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Ew
Why can't lefties just stick with their standard communist manifesto

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cinnamon]
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Conservatism is the new punk, right? Let's hear some of that conservative punk then!


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
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Not being a fucking retarded freak is the new punk.

It's not very popular yet.


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"They consider me insane but I know that I am a hero living under the eyes of the gods."

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: viktor] * 2
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Antifa are solid, I wish I was as hard as they are. Real men that's for sure. Look at them music videos mannnnnnnn, fucking bad boys.

:lolsy:

Man's on all sides are a bunch of fucking kids in shivas photos, which say a lot :lol:

Also, the UK currently has 85 sharia law courts dishing out Islamic justice in the West. Shiva has no clue Wtf he's on about.

Let's protect the islamo fascists from white people. Antifa in a nut shell :rolleyes:


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Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story NEVER Told - Official Trailer

The National Socialist Revolution - THINK DIFFERENT

EUROPA – The Last Battle - The Truth Fears No Investigation

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
Antifa are solid, I wish I was as hard as they are. Real men that's for sure. Look at them music videos mannnnnnnn, fucking bad boys.

:lolsy:

Man's on all sides are a bunch of fucking kids in shivas photos, which say a lot :lol:

Also, the UK currently has 85 sharia law courts dishing out Islamic justice in the West. Shiva has no clue Wtf he's on about.

Let's protect the islamo fascists from white people. Antifa in a nut shell :rolleyes:


:whathesaid:    Yeah, those retards were protesting against liberal Muslims for embracing liberal Western values, must protect Islamic extremism at any cost.  :huxleyfacepalm:

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
Also, the UK currently has 85 sharia law courts dishing out Islamic justice in the West. Shiva has no clue Wtf he's on about.


While there are undoubtedly lots of different councils and tribunals dealing with Sharia principles, they aren't courts of law.

Most are Sharia 'councils' set up to make decisions on purely religious matters, although there are some bodies that mix Sharia principles with legally binding arbitration. But none can overrule the regular courts.

The way Sharia might become legally enforceable is where a Sharia organisation is used for arbitration. This means taking a commercial or personal dispute to a neutral forum and agreeing to be bound by what it decides.

It's up to the people having the dispute who they agree to be the arbiter, and they can even choose to apply rules other than English law to the affair—so long as there is no conflict between the two.

The Muslim Arbitration Tribunal is an example of this approach. It appoints one qualified lawyer and one expert in Islamic law to each case. In this way, it tries to ensure that the decision reached is in line with both secular and religious law.

So if both parties agree, arbitral tribunals can decide certain issues by applying religious principles.

This doesn't make them courts as such. Their legal authority comes from being voluntarily chosen as a decision-maker, and they can't make any decisions that are contrary to national law.


Also, Muslims are not the only religious group that practices this type of arbitration. A beth din is a rabbinical court of Judaism, and is sometimes used within the Orthodox Jewish community to resolve civil disputes in the exact same way that Muslim communities use Sharia councils.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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"Antifa are the real fascists."

Why is it that everytime some chud says this they act as though theyve just discovered the rosetta stone of getting through to liberals?


Its a stupid argument.

People who call me racist are the real racists.
People who call me fascist are the real fascists.




It must be nice to be able to delude yourself on such a grand scale with such minimal effort.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Judging solely from this thread, it also appears that the anti-antifa camp is the one most willing to misrepresent the opposition as an extreme caricature, and use this as justification for violence. Which is exactly what they deride antifa for doing.

Anti-antifa are the real antifa.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Judging solely from this thread, it also appears that the anti-antifa camp is the one most willing to misrepresent the opposition as an extreme caricature, and use this as justification for violence. Which is exactly what they deride antifa for doing.

Anti-antifa are the real antifa.


"justification for violence"

Who's justifying violence against Antifa or anybody else?

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
"Antifa are the real fascists."

Why is it that everytime some chud says this they act as though theyve just discovered the rosetta stone of getting through to liberals?


Its a stupid argument.


Probably because they are just parroting talking points they heard, without bothering to cultivating any real understanding of the subject.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
"Antifa are the real fascists."

Why is it that everytime some chud says this they act as though theyve just discovered the rosetta stone of getting through to liberals?


Its a stupid argument.

People who call me racist are the real racists.
People who call me fascist are the real fascists.




It must be nice to be able to delude yourself on such a grand scale with such minimal effort.


In many cases it happens to be true, you don't think wrongly calling people "racist" isn't a form of racism in itself?

You don't think rightfully calling out fascist like behavior of certain groups is justifiable just because they happen to call themselves "Anti-fascists"? 

Your line of reasoning is way too simplistic, if the description appropriately applies to the behavior, then so be it.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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qman said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Judging solely from this thread, it also appears that the anti-antifa camp is the one most willing to misrepresent the opposition as an extreme caricature, and use this as justification for violence. Which is exactly what they deride antifa for doing.

Anti-antifa are the real antifa.


"justification for violence"

Who's justifying violence against Antifa or anybody else?


There were no explicit calls for violence in this thread, I don't think, but there was a significant amount of celebrating previous acts of violence towards antifascists (mostly via YouTube videos) which could be seen as an implicit justification of such violence. There were also a few comments that appeared to justify violence via a 'self defence argument' that used the antifa caricature. Things like 'I would sieg heil just to watch you get beat down'  and something about looking forward to the courts deciding it being OK to shoot antifa because they throw explosives.

But you're right, I don't think anyone made explicit calls for violence against antifa in this thread, but given the context gathered from other similar conversations, I think this can be implied as the conclusion of the arguments being made.

Maybe I wasn't judging solely from this thread...


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Edited by shivas.wisdom (07/16/17 01:05 PM)

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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qman said:
You don't think rightfully calling out fascist like behavior of certain groups is justifiable just because they happen to call themselves "Anti-fascists"?


Even if the criticisms towards antifascists are valid, authoritarianism ≠ fascism. For example, nationalism is a important aspect of fascism, and I doubt you will find this trait in very many anarchists.

The argument is basically no more nuanced than "I know you are but what am I".


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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qman said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Judging solely from this thread, it also appears that the anti-antifa camp is the one most willing to misrepresent the opposition as an extreme caricature, and use this as justification for violence. Which is exactly what they deride antifa for doing.

Anti-antifa are the real antifa.


"justification for violence"

Who's justifying violence against Antifa or anybody else?


A shitload of people. Like the group who showed up to anti-antifa the antifa protest at gettysburg. Except there was no antifa protest and the only violence was some guy shooting himself.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Judging solely from this thread, it also appears that the anti-antifa camp is the one most willing to misrepresent the opposition as an extreme caricature, and use this as justification for violence. Which is exactly what they deride antifa for doing.

Anti-antifa are the real antifa.


"justification for violence"

Who's justifying violence against Antifa or anybody else?


A shitload of people. Like the group who showed up to anti-antifa the antifa protest at gettysburg. Except there was no antifa protest and the only violence was some guy shooting himself.


"A shitload of people"

I'm sure at this point there is, but I was referring to just the members in this thread.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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Oh, none that i've seen.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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This fox news interview is GOLD


"When MLK was shot and assassinated, he uhh......"

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