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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow] * 1
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That's about as solid an argument as "being called rascist made me become a rascist!"

How exactly does militant anarchist action convince one to support a political ideology of laissez-faire capitalism, nationalism, traditionalism, ethnocentrism and anti-elitism?


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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You also said "Show me the antifa counter demonstration, seemingly against your average Trump supporters, and I will show you the fascist elements within. Guilty by association, I suppose" which is implying that the majority of Trump supporters are fascists (and thus deserve to be attacked according to your standards, right?), otherwise it would be "fascists marching with average Trump supporters" instead of the other way around. This right here is you attempting to justify the attacks. Your subtle wordplay isn't really helping you.

Like I said, we're pretty much all against fascism, but it's only degenerate basement dwellers that like to rep "antifa." So, how about you just agree that fascism sucks like the rest of us do, and denounce antifa as a group since pretty much the only thing we've ever seen from them has been attacks on random people, burning peoples' property and blocking people from entering public property?

Also, I got a good laugh at your "intelligence gathering" comment which is just a bunch of goofy lookin fuckers stalking people with cell phones and posting "this man is a nazi!" pictures on telephone poles. Meanwhile, a few autists on 4chan can dox you guys from their computers while you're wearing masks :lol:


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
Antifa managed to fuck up Hamburg.

They've become the biggest recruitment tool for the far right.



So true. Did you watch that hilarious Antifa music video I posted last night with the little hipster manlet talking about knocking people out? The comment section is full of people saying "I think I love the alt-right now" :lol:


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence] * 1
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So, in other words, I never professed support for throwing homemade bombs at average Trump supporters, and you just made it up to support your strawman argument?

Eminence said:
You also said "Show me the antifa counter demonstration, seemingly against your average Trump supporters, and I will show you the fascist elements within. Guilty by association, I suppose" which is implying that the majority of Trump supporters are fascists (and thus deserve to be attacked according to your standards, right?), otherwise it would be "fascists marching with average Trump supporters" instead of the other way around. This right here is you attempting to justify the attacks. Your subtle wordplay isn't really helping you.



That quote is not implying that average Trump supporters are fascists. The intent behind that quote is to counter the claim that antifascists are showing up to target average Trump supporters; antifascists are showing up to confront the legitimate fascist element which has intentionally embedded itself within the masses of average Trump supporters. This post confirms that, despite your attempts to ridicule it. Don't want to believe antifascist intel? Then how about the words of Oath Keeper, Navy Jack:

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White Nationalist organizations have worked to tie [Trump’s] agenda to their agenda. By showing up at any pro-Trump rally or event and using these opportunities to recruit, these organizations have been steadily growing. Expanding out, they are now targeting “free speech” rallies and luring participants into their web of deceit.  The organizations I am referring to include the National Policy Institute (NPI), Identity Evropa and Vanguard America. If you truly are a patriot, you must stand against and condemn NPI, Identity Evropa and Vanguard America as organizations that seek to divide us.

The white nationalists and fascists are attempting, once again, to legitimize themselves by claiming association with Conservatives, Libertarians and Constitutionalists. They are holding numerous rallies labeled as “Free Speech” and “#UniteTheRight” to indoctrinate people (who really should know better) into their racist ideologies.

When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you have to call it what it is; racism.



The "guilty by association" remark is regarding the fact that if you show up to an event where antifascists and hard-right are expected to brawl (especially if you join in), you may find yourself receiving the same treatment as the fascists; not because you were directly targeted for simply being a Trump supporter, but because a street brawl is a hectic and confusing thing and you don't have time to thoroughly ID every individual. Sides are drawn and fists are thrown.

For example, here you see Sean Stiles (aka Sriracha Man) actively engaging in street brawls and even posing for group photos with open fascists before he received his injury via bike lock. Yet, the alt-right narrative would have you believe he was a completely neutral party who was viciously targeted by antifa for no reason at all.




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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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This was months ago. I'll try to look for the post once I'm on a laptop and not my phone, and I'll also read everything in that link posted then too. The pictures in that link are confusing though, they have a sign opposing fascism and yet apparently they call themselves fascists? Or is it just people like Buzzfeed calling them fascists? Just wondering because I noticed a Buzzfeed journalist or something like that right next to them. The fight only happened because Antifa showed up to cause trouble though (and they got owned in that fight too :lol:).

I noticed there's a rise of anti-semitism within Antifa lately. Personally, I don't give a damn about that..but isn't "Islamophobia" something people are getting attacked for?

And the "alt-right narrative" barely gains any traction to the majority of the people, because the MSM tends to side more with Antifa (not surprising since apparently Antifa is partially funded by an actual nazi collaborator). That's why they had that one crazy bitch with the dread locks on the news talking about when she got punched, but they said nothing about her throwin bottles and explosives at people or about her tweets talking about "bringing back 100 nazi scalps."

By the way, I don't like Oathkeepers either, just so you know.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
That's about as solid an argument as "being called rascist made me become a rascist!"

How exactly does militant anarchist action convince one to support a political ideology of laissez-faire capitalism, nationalism, traditionalism, ethnocentrism and anti-elitism?



Really?  You're going to be this tuse?  Does everybody have to spoon feed you the obvious?

Face it, your radical buddies fucked up Hamburg and now there is going to be an upsurge in REAL national socialist inspired idealogies.


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence]
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Eminence said:
lowbrow said:
Antifa managed to fuck up Hamburg.

They've become the biggest recruitment tool for the far right.



So true. Did you watch that hilarious Antifa music video I posted last night with the little hipster manlet talking about knocking people out? The comment section is full of people saying "I think I love the alt-right now" :lol:




I had already seen it.:puke:


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow] * 2
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good night alt-right

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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Dude looks like a Bieber knockoff with FAS :lol:


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence]
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Eminence said:
This was months ago. I'll try to look for the post once I'm on a laptop and not my phone,



Save yourself the time - you won't find me supporting attacks on non-fash.

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and I'll also read everything in that link posted then too. The pictures in that link are confusing though, they have a sign opposing fascism and yet apparently they call themselves fascists?.



That banner was a "trophy" that the fash took from BAMN! (anarchist group) during a brawl, and now they are posing with it.

This is explained in the entire post. I know it is a long one, but if you are honestly opposed to fascism, it is a worthwhile read imo, because the right needs to inoculate itself from this fascist creep. Read it with an open mind, it very clearly isolates the fascist minority.

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I noticed there's a rise of anti-semitism within Antifa lately. Personally, I don't give a damn about that..but isn't "Islamophobia" something people are getting attacked for?



Do you mean opposition to the State of Israel? Because that's not antisemitism.

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And the "alt-right narrative" barely gains any traction to the majority of the people, because the MSM tends to side more with Antifa (not surprising since apparently Antifa is partially funded by an actual nazi collaborator).



Is this in reference to Soros? Let me assure you, he has nothing to do with anarchists. I wish I could be paid to demonstrate.

Liberal media definitely is not pro-antifa or pro-anarchist, but we'll just have to agree to disagree there. I don't have the energy to detail the amount of repression anarchists face from the entire State apparatus. There is more than one reason we bloc up before an action.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
shivas.wisdom said:
That's about as solid an argument as "being called rascist made me become a rascist!"

How exactly does militant anarchist action convince one to support a political ideology of laissez-faire capitalism, nationalism, traditionalism, ethnocentrism and anti-elitism?



Really?  You're going to be this tuse?  Does everybody have to spoon feed you the obvious?

Face it, your radical buddies fucked up Hamburg and now there is going to be an upsurge in REAL national socialist inspired idealogies.



Yes I am, because I just don't see the connection. Please explain how the events in Hamburg will convince a typical Liberal or Conservative of the benefits of National Socialism.

Please proceed with the spoon feeding.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
Yeah because our resident chuds can't read.



This makes no sense.



All that shit people are quoting is an argument i made up on the spot for the sake of arguing. How can you not read the posts in order and surmise that? Or the other 5 people clearly confused by the english language?


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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I still haven't gotten back home to read all of that stuff, but I promise I will..but can you answer me one thing? Why does Antifa fight against people who oppose Sharia law also? Wouldn't Sharia Law be one of the things they would be fighting against the hardest?


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence] * 1
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Because there is no other god but Allah, and Mohammad is his prophet.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
Yeah because our resident chuds can't read.



This makes no sense.



All that shit people are quoting is an argument i made up on the spot for the sake of arguing. How can you not read the posts in order and surmise that? Or the other 5 people clearly confused by the english language?




That's real pretentious of you.  How can we not read your mind after you've been calling everyone stupid who doesn't hold your opinion?  I'm just going to guess you are an antifa member by your logic.


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence]
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Eminence said:
I still haven't gotten back home to read all of that stuff, but I promise I will..but can you answer me one thing? Why does Antifa fight against people who oppose Sharia law also? Wouldn't Sharia Law be one of the things they would be fighting against the hardest?



Because the likelihood of sharia law coming to a western country is about zil (at least currently), and more often than not opposition towards sharia law is just a way of reframing prejudice towards Muslims.

A good example would be M-103 in Canada; The motion has generated months of controversy and protest as a result of two specific calls to action: (1) “to publicly condemn all forms of racism and religious discrimination” and (2) “to initiate a whole of government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination, including Islamophobia”. The motion also calls for general data collection on hate crime incidences and a committee report on steps to address systemic racism within 240 days. Critics have called it the beginning of Sharia law in Canada and an attack on free speech, and have used it as justification for a never ending series of public protests, but a simple look easily reveals this opposition as highly hypocritical. CFJE (Canadian Journalists for Free Expression) providing a solid debunking:  http://www.cjfe.org/6_times_m_103_opponents_were_inconsistent_on_free_expression

Anarchists and antifascists are fighting against Sharia law and Islam where it does exist as an real and imminent threat, this just doesn't happen to include the USA. I'm sure you've heard about the American anarchist killed recently fighting ISIS? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/world/middleeast/occupy-protester-robert-grodt-dies-in-syria.html


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
Yeah because our resident chuds can't read.



This makes no sense.



All that shit people are quoting is an argument i made up on the spot for the sake of arguing. How can you not read the posts in order and surmise that? Or the other 5 people clearly confused by the english language?




That's real pretentious of you.  How can we not read your mind after you've been calling everyone stupid who doesn't hold your opinion?  I'm just going to guess you are an antifa member by your logic.



I havent called anyone stupid. But just go ahead and declare  what my opinions are. If the shoe fits.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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Hey lowbrow, I'm still waiting on you explaining how the events in Hamburg will convince a typical Liberal or Conservative of the benefits of National Socialism.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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He doesnt know. He just saw someone on youtube say it in front of a large confederate flag.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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But he called me [ob]tuse and said that explaining it would be spoon feeding me the obvious - surely he wouldn't have such bravado for something he has no real knowledge of...

What would that suggest regarding his seemingly informed analysis of antifa?


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