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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Those frames aren't even from the same video, dude.  That's some pretty serious intellectual dishonesty.


I said, frame by frame of the second angle.


Apologize for not linking the second video.
However, even in the first video, I find it hard to believe the black guy could have swung first.


Also, you clearly didn't go frame by frame because even in the initial video










Edited by Cinnamon (07/06/17 11:29 AM)

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cinnamon]
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Who cares who swung first?  The fact is that both of those dudes are violent criminals.  It's not even clear that the white dude even connected with his punch.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Who cares who swung first?  The fact is that both of those dudes are violent criminals.


You care who swung first, as per your response to the video.

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And that video shows the black guy punching the antifa dude...not the other way around.


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I watched that video frame by frame and saw no swing by the white person. When the black person attacks, the white guy isn't doing anything.


And the stealth edit
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So you admit that the video shows a black guy hitting an ANTIFA dude.


I see a video of a dudette swinging on a black guy, which was exactly why I posted the video initially.

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How about ANTIFA punching a black guy?
[Insert video]



It was you who asserted the video wasn't demonstrating my point, then falsely claimed frame by frame you didn't witness what everyone else witnessed.

Let's not change the subject here and get caught in legality.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cinnamon]
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But that's not what you said.  You said it showed the antifa guy punching the black guy.  I don't think it does.  I think it shows the antifa guy swinging at the black guy and missing and then the black guy punching the antifa guy.

This looks like a clear miss to me:



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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Who cares who swung first?  The fact is that both of those dudes are violent criminals.


You care who swung first, as per your response to the video.

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And that video shows the black guy punching the antifa dude...not the other way around.


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I watched that video frame by frame and saw no swing by the white person. When the black person attacks, the white guy isn't doing anything.

Enlil said:
But that's not what you said.  You said it showed the antifa guy punching the black guy.  I don't think it does.  I think it shows the antifa guy swinging at the black guy and missing and then the black guy punching the antifa guy.

This looks like a clear miss to me:





Looks like it connected in my previously posted shot, then traverses downward along the jawline.


Come on dude...
Prove to me the black guy connected with his, for what I see it was the flag pole that connected, not the black guys fist.
The second punch is obscured by the flag, therefore black guy never connected with either punch and is absconded.


Should we commission experts to analyze the motion of the black guy in relation to the speed of the dudette's punch?
How about we request the police reports and testimony of all who were there, let's have video analysts break it down and give their conclusion.



I suppose the black guy was just acting, his brain was so quick he could act out the reverse motion in flawless fashion to give the impression he was punched, knowing the camera angle would be just right to obscure the fist IN HIS FACE for those microseconds.
Actor of the year tbh.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cinnamon]
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The black guy clearly connected, and you're being intentionally obtuse about it.  The white guy may have, but I don't think it's clear in the photos. 

Still, if you wanna go Rodney King on this and do this with experts in open court, come at me, bro.  I'll fucking drop $50k just to prove a point on the internet....

In any case, your video 100% proves that black people are bad and white people are good.  It also proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that 100% of ANTIFA supporters are fine people without whom the world would be an ugly place.

I think we can both agree on this.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
But that's not what you said.  You said it showed the antifa guy punching the black guy.  I don't think it does.  I think it shows the antifa guy swinging at the black guy and missing and then the black guy punching the antifa guy.

This looks like a clear miss to me:




so if someone takes out a gun, shoots at you and misses, and you shoot back and kill him, that makes you a violent criminal?

why don't you understand the concept of self defense? :kingtard:

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
As easy as it is to say antifa are fascists who hate free speech



Their actions speak for themselves.


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Mad_Larkin said:
why don't you understand the concept of self defense? :kingtard:


It sounds like you don't.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Are there any positive aspects to ANTIFA that some of us might be missing?


Community defence against violent fascists?

Since Trumps inauguration, the waters have become very muddied. Legitimate fascists have intentionally stopped using their historical hate symbols as part of a campaign to garner greater public acceptance. For example: the National Socialist Movement, a major neo-Nazi umbrella group, declared its intent to stop using the swastika. NSM stated it has "every intention to bring our Party... into the halls of government here in the United States, and to do that we must reach more of the public. The masses believe exactly as we do, but have steered clear of us due to our use of the swastika. Your Party Platform remains the same, for Party remains unchanged, it is a cosmetic overhaul only." (I'm not going to link to their site but it was published on November 4th, 2016 and easy to verify). Another example, from the younger /pol/ delegation, is the "just trolling liberals" claim; aka the "it was just a prank" defense. This has given rise to, among other things, the Kekistan flag, directly based off the Reichskriegsflagge (Nazi war flag) but not quite an undeniable hate symbol.

So now we have groups of legitimate fascists who are commingled with your average non-fashy Republican/conservative/Trump supporter. When antifascists respond with force, the claims that Antifa is targeting anyone they disagree with is only too easy to make. Antifascists in the USA have clued into this and tactics are already changing. If you note, by and large "antifa" has stopped taking the bait to engage in street brawls at these various Trump rallies and free speech protests.

But beyond the recent events, which seem to be when the general public has become aware of antifascist action, antifa has successfully countered less tenuous incarnations of fascist organizing and street violence.

If you are curious, probably the largest incarnation (until now) of this movement in the North America occured in the 1990's in response to an increasingly violent neo-Nazi skinhead subculture amongst the punk and oi! music scenes. This occurred within a subculture and was against fascists who wore their beliefs openly, so it never garnered the same media attention we see currently.

Beyond that, antifascism has a longer history in Europe and the UK. From the days of the National Front, to 1980's Paris, to modern day Greece and the Golden Dawn. Antifascists have demonstrably had positive effects on their communities.

Also, remember, the antifa label is generally only used when engaging in militant confrontation with fascists. These same people may be taking part in other, less militant, activities (and the anarchists I know definitely do) and simply don't attach the "antifa" label to these actions.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Neo-Nazis have freedom of speech and assembly as well

No one has the right to violently disrupt a lawful assembly, nor should they

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
So you admit that the video shows a black guy hitting an ANTIFA dude.



Self defense.


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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Anyone who thinks the National Socialist party could garner any sort of sizeable public support here in the United States is deluding themselves. The biggest non major party, the Libertarian party, can barely reach 3% in a national election. The only way those kinds of policies would come into effect is if they are implemented into one of the two major parties, and we've seen them both change quite a bit lately.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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Clearly you don't understand self defense either.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Looks like self defense to me.  Stand your ground is a thing.  I think there was plenty of fear the duddette might of continued the exchange.

Definitely self defense.


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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Only in your layman's opinion.  Certainly not under the laws of any state.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Mad_Larkin said:
why don't you understand the concept of self defense? :kingtard:


It sounds like you don't.


all you have is "no u"? shame.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Yeah, some people engage in discussions.  Others just call people "king tard."  The latter doesn't usually get more than a dismissive one-liner from me.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
As easy as it is to say antifa are fascists who hate free speech



Their actions speak for themselves.


No, the actions of a few speak for the many.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Yeah, some people engage in discussions.  Others just call people "king tard."  The latter doesn't usually get more than a dismissive one-liner from me.


sounds like you know you're in the wrong and can't defend your position :wink:

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