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Re: ANTIFA [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
I don't think it is unfair at all.
When ZiG died, Q started to try to pick up the slack and become the respected conservative voice around here.  He was making reasoned arguments.  Even when it was just outlandishly clownish caricatures like HU and burgerbrain, qman had too much dignity to throw in with them whole-hog, and seemed to attempt to keep a level of sophistication to differentiate himself from their buffoonery.  But with guys like viktor around, smart enough to cover their belligerent arguments with a thin veneer of wit, he's been backsliding.


I don't represent conservatism because I'm not a conservative, I could make a very long list of positions that are the polar opposite of mainstream conservative ideology. :shrug:  Myself and Zig actually disagreed on plenty of different issues.

"he's been backsliding"

How many people who voted for Trump have called out his bullshit like I have?  :popcorn:

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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I'll give you that.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: ballsalsa]
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I'm not saying this stuff to troll you.  I'm saying it because i respect your opinion, and i liked the way your posting style was trending a month ago.  It just seems like having radicals around has been radicalizing you.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
yeah, right and they are stupid as well, i mean, loud-mouthed ones are arrogant and stupid sometimes, but the ones who'd resort violence- as idiots go- are big-time. they should be stopped.


Of course.

I just dont think we should equivocate someone punching Richard Spencer with someone suckerpunching a dude at a Truml rally simply for being black.

One of those punchees was asking for it way more than the other.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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:rolleyes: Really? Are you sure it was "just because he was black"? You know..not every altercation that involves a black man and a white man has to do with race. There's been a few out of line people on the right too, but not nearly as many. Even if that attack was based off of race alone, how much do you want to bet that more people at a Trump rally would defend the black guy as opposed to how many Antifa would defend the numerous people that were attacked by them for no good reason?


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence]
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How much do I want to bet? Seriously?

Theres no way to know, but considering theres about 30 million Trump supporters and not even one tenth the Antifa, youre probably right. But missing the point nonetheless.

How many people would advocate punching Richard Spencer compared to that black man?


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Ok, percentage wise then..there'd be a much higher percentage of Trump supporters defending some black dude getting punched just because he was black, compared to the amount of Antifa that would defend some random woman getting maced or hit in the face with a flag pole just for standing in line at a speech they didn't like. And no not seriously, it's an expression.

And probably more people would advocate punching Spencer even though I don't think he's ever advocated violence towards anyone. I could be wrong but I've never heard about it. I'm pretty sure the black guy you're talking about was disrupting a rally and some old white guy just got angry and lashed out like an idiot as he was getting escorted out. It's easy to say it's "just because he was black." People eat that sensational BS up.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence]
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As easy as it is to say antifa are fascists who hate free speech


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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The Ecstatic said:
As easy as it is to say antifa are fascists who hate free speech


Are there any positive aspects to ANTIFA that some of us might be missing?  Every time someone points out what the members of this group does in public, your reply is "it's not representation of the group as a whole", what are these great things from ANTIFA that everyone is missing?

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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I think theyre a bunch of idiots with no message and thats why they have people taking up their flag with the express purpose of being violent idiots.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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https://www.infowars.com/new-jersey-homeland-security-officially-lists-antifa-as-a-terrorist-organization/
:cookiemonster:

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
How much do I want to bet? Seriously?

Theres no way to know, but considering theres about 30 million Trump supporters and not even one tenth the Antifa, youre probably right. But missing the point nonetheless.

How many people would advocate punching Richard Spencer compared to that black man?


Depends how much of a cunt the black guy was being at the time.

neither is warranted but you're race baiting here unless you can prove he was punched solely for being black.

How about ANTIFA punching a black guy?


Tit for tat

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cinnamon]
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Why does it have to be "solely" for being black?  If the color of his skin played any role at all, it's still racist.

By the way, that video shows just the opposite of what you claim it shows.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Why does it have to be "solely" for being black?  If the color of his skin played any role at all, it's still racist.


Exactly, but it seems to be falling under the same logic that claims any black person shot by cops it must be an inherent race issue.

I need to see proof it was unprovoked or slurs were use prior/during, any indication it was racially motivated and I'll retract my position.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cinnamon]
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The absence of slurs doesn't make it not racially motivated.

And that video shows the black guy punching the antifa dude...not the other way around.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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The black guy just hit the trans guy back. Also, how do you decide something is racist if there isn't clear evidence of racism anyway?


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
The absence of slurs doesn't make it not racially motivated.

And that video shows the black guy punching the antifa dude...not the other way around.



how the fuck would you determine it's racially motivated or not based on no evidence for either?
Are we all just pretending every black guy that gets punched is down to racism?

And uhh.. what?Uhh..
what?

4min 15 seconds?
Pretty clear the dudette swung first.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence]
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Hitting someone back is called battery.  The video doesn't show him being hit, though.  Even if it did, it wouldn't be self-defense.  It would be battery.  I watched that video frame by frame and saw no swing by the white person. When the black person attacks, the white guy isn't doing anything.

How do I decide?  From all of the facts and circumstances surrounding the event.  If I see a black man hung at a klan rally, I don't need to hear racial slurs to infer it's racially motivated.





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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Hitting someone back is called battery.  The video doesn't show him being hit, though.  Even if it did, it wouldn't be self-defense.  It would be battery.

How do I decide?  From all of the facts and circumstances surrounding the event.  If I see a black man hung at a klan rally, I don't need to hear racial slurs to infer it's racially motivated.

I watched that video frame by frame and saw no swing by the white person. 



Who gives a shit what it would be called, no one is arguing self defense or not.

It's very clear the black guy got hit, to which he replied "is that the best you got?" and then hit back.

Frame by frame... second angle.






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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cinnamon]
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So you admit that the video shows a black guy hitting an ANTIFA dude.


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