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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
Im against all of these unorganized pseudo movements

Set down rules, regulations, a hierarchy and recruit with conscience

Otherwise you get ineffective bullshit like this, its one thing to protest anonymously, but when you give yourself a label, you are associating with everyone else wearing that label. Thats how the public perceives you and thats really how they should.



I mean, the anarchist view would be that lack of hierarchy and centralized leadership is one of the greatest strengths of these groups. Consolidated power inevitably leads to stagnation and corruption.

The affinity group is the basic building block and can be (and has been) quite effective. Solidarity and mutual support allows for greater coalitions to be built without removing this initial autonomy.

It is true, that an inability to control who wears this label can affect public opinion, this doesn't really phase anarchists. Public opinion (through endless state propaganda) is usually turned against anarchism. This isn't a battlefield most care to fight on. The ability for anarchists to act is not affected by public opinion, and recruiting happens through non-hierarchical channels.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
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Kind of embarrassing watching you try so hard to come off as a real activist.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence] * 3
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I still don't understand how Anarcho-Communists seek to instate their society without a governing body and military to ensure it's kept in place and not overthrown by sane people.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
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This forum thread discusses the issue of fascists infiltrating Trump rallies and the response from antifa. The user argues that antifa often targets the wrong individuals, as they mistakenly identify average Trump supporters as fascists based on association. They clarify that antifa specifically targets known extremist groups with a history of violence and fascist symbols. The user emphasizes that the presence of such groups at Trump rallies is problematic, as it provides a platform for recruitment and legitimizes their ideology. They also criticize antifa's tactics, suggesting they create more division and "fascism" rather than solving the problem. The thread concludes by questioning the existence of "fascists" in the U.S. and the effectiveness of antifa's approach in addressing the issue.

shivas.wisdom said:
lowbrow said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Show me the antifa counter demonstration, seemingly against your average Trump supporters, and I will show you the fascist elements within. Guilty by association, I suppose. If you are comfortable marching with fascists, don't be surprised if you are mistaken for one.



Right here.  He basically called all Trump supporters guilty by association fascists and implied it's okay to shut them up by force, and at the end of it implies support antifa or you're a fascist.



Note I say "mistaken for one".

What I intended by that paragraph is this: people and groups known to antifascists since before Trumps election - people with a known history of violence, intimidation, and organizing - are showing up to the various 'pro-Trump' rallies. In some cases, their presence is explicitly announced with the open display of white supremacist and fascist symbols. These are the groups that are directly targeted by antifa no-platforming, not the average Trump supporter.

The issue is that the legitimate fascists are using these rallies as a platform for their organization and recruitment. This is not something antifascists will allow. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the average Trump supporter has not rejected these elements directly, instead choosing to stand together against the antifascists. When the inevitable street melee begins, it is only inevitable that a non-fashy Trump supporter standing amid the fascists will be caught up in the action.

This doesn't mean that the individual was directly targeted because their disagreement made them a nazi, guilty by association (in this instance)  means that when a street brawl goes down, you will be lumped in with those you stand with. I will repeat again, although I'm sure some instances (especially directly after the inauguration) probably had over zealous antifa intentionally targeting undeserving individuals, I do not support that nor think it a practical tactic. But street brawls are confusing, and shit happens.

As to why the more moderate Republicans have chosen to not distance themselves from the extreme elements could be for a few reasons. One growing trend of the antifascist camp is that these black clad individuals are providing an outside enemy that is able to unite the disparate members of the right together. This has been reflected in the words of far-right organizers. This is being responded to; if you pay attention to these events in the USA, you will see that (despite still preparing for the worst) a movement had been made away from physical direct confrontation, to remove this unifying pressure. A great example of this can be seen from the recent rallies in DC. Antifascists had a completely separate rally, and in response to the removal of an outside threat, the one original rally devolved into two separate and opposed ones. The first being organized by the people opposed to the open racism of the alt-right, including much of the constitutionalist militias, while the second rally featured those who hold very little back in their rhetoric, Richard Spencer being one headliner. The purity cycle continues to this day, with the likely result that eventually the true fascists will find themselves rejected from the more moderate camp.

It becomes a lot easier to target fascists when they don't have public acceptance to hid behind.




So Trump rallies fester with fascists
and ANTIFA rallies fester with communists.

Both equally gross, the amount of hammer and sickle flags in ANTIFA rallies makes me barf, but I'm yet to see a swastika being flown in a Trump rally or 'freedom rally'.

Antifa is fighting a nonexistent enemy, so it has to come up with these silly ideas that Trump rallies 'hide', 'true' fascists, so what?
Who cares?
Do you not believe people are capable of their own thought?
That if Richard Spencer tried to recruit them, they don't have the capacity to think he's a dopey idiot?
Thank God those masked anarchists showed up and saved me, I was being mentally subdued by a fascist and almost threw up a sieg heil. :flowstone:


How are we even allowing people to pretend fascists exist in any kind of measurable quantity in the U.S?
We've totally accepted this lefty premise than anyone who disagrees with race baiting is a fascist, which inflates the numbers of 'fascists'.
it's a self-inflating, self-justifying system.

I think you'll find ANTIFA's attempts at 'smashing fascism' has created more of this objective 'fascism' than it's stopped.
Richard Spencer is low hanging fruit, that's not an ANTIFA victory, that's just pointing out the obvious and throwing a single guy into the public eye.
No one is worried about Spencer so much as people are worried about the Klan today.

Even so, people like Spencer have the right to assembly and the right to their views, this is where ANTIFA fails wildly, they can't accept that simple fact, that people can be as extreme and hateful in their views as they like, just as people can be extreme and kind in their views also.

ANTIFA is a meme group that should be classified as domestic terrorism, it's cancer.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
Asante dont just leave this flaming bag of shit on our doorstep.

Youre the one who let it burn for 5 pages, just throw it in the dumpster.




Translation: 'Asante, they are making too much sense, shut it down(silence their voices, after all it's the ANTIFA way.)



Yeah its this type of stupid bullshit we try to keep out of Political Discussion.

But everyone in the pub saw that one antifa guy throw that trash can that one tome, and are henceforth sociopolitical experts.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
Asante dont just leave this flaming bag of shit on our doorstep.

Youre the one who let it burn for 5 pages, just throw it in the dumpster.




Translation: 'Asante, they are making too much sense, shut it down(silence their voices, after all it's the ANTIFA way.)



Yeah its this type of stupid bullshit we try to keep out of Political Discussion.




Are you making a reference to my sarcasm, like this.....
The Ecstatic said:
Being violent against fascists makes YOU a fascist.

Just ask the Allied powers of WW2.



Staying objective in these discussions doesn't seem to be your thing.

Also, by your logic, a thread that prominently produces an opinion other than your own should be shut down, but if anybody points out that's what you're saying, they're in the wrong.


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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he's not saying that it should necessarily be shut down.  He's saying that it is dumb to let this thread live in the pub until trendal doesn't like it anymore, and then toss it into political discussion once it becomes a trainwreck.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: schwarg]
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schwarg said:
I still don't understand how Anarcho-Communists seek to instate their society without a governing body and military to ensure it's kept in place and not overthrown by sane people.



Anarchists have fielded non-hierarchical armies in the past. The Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine, and the Durruti Column are two common examples; as well as present day incarnations such as the Zapatista Army of National Liberation.

Anarchism does not mean chaotic disorder, it means non-hierarchical organizing.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
he's not saying that it should necessarily be shut down.  He's saying that it is dumb to let this thread live in the pub until trendal doesn't like it anymore, and then toss it into political discussion once it becomes a trainwreck.




I don't even understand why he would of moved it. 

Some political discourse, IMO, should stay in the pub.

It's better than a sheekle 'look at me cum on my own face' thread.:puke:


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow] * 1
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Its really cause staff is in favor of all left wing lunatics so moving this to politics or conspiracy is a way of putting down opposition to the anti free speech crowd.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
Its really cause staff is in favor of all left wing lunatics so moving this to politics or conspiracy is a way of putting down opposition to the anti free speech crowd.



The snowflakes in the Pub can't handle people disagreeing with their liberal positions, but as a result traffic is now down in the Pub as viewers don't have any real content to read.

So "the vibe" is now "positive" but viewership is down, why am I not surprised?  BTW, I'm assuming traffic is down because it's dead in there now, I don't think it's a wild speculation on my part.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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youre right, the pub must be dead because its been strangled by snowflake safe space liberals.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Qman has actually taken on the persona of a propaganda outlet. :lol:

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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>The snowflakes in the Pub can't handle people disagreeing with their liberal positions

When you think about it, antifa represents the core of liberal principals and values

1. extremely left wing
2. shuts down dissent against their beliefs
3. name calling, a liberal tactic since forever

The left usually will not come out and say anyone with a different point of view should be silenced but that is what they want. Antifa is doing it which gladdens the hearts of the LL. They will never say moderates or conservatives should be beaten up, but they cheer out loud or silently when antifa does it. Who has known a liberal who didn't call people with other viewpoints bad names? "fascist, nazi, etc" I would not be surprised if soros is funding the anti speech crowd right now.


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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
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Stonehenge said:
>The snowflakes in the Pub can't handle people disagreeing with their liberal positions

When you think about it, antifa represents the core of liberal principals and values

1. extremely left wing
2. shuts down dissent against their beliefs
3. name calling, a liberal tactic since forever

The left usually will not come out and say anyone with a different point of view should be silenced but that is what they want. Antifa is doing it which gladdens the hearts of the LL. They will never say moderates or conservatives should be beaten up, but they cheer out loud or silently when antifa does it. Who has known a liberal who didn't call people with other viewpoints bad names? "fascist, nazi, etc" I would not be surprised if soros is funding the anti speech crowd right now.



:picard:

and the KKK represents the "core" of right-wing values. that too, right? can't forget hardened support to lynch laws for the sake of preserving traditional values.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman] * 4
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qman said:
Stonehenge said:
Its really cause staff is in favor of all left wing lunatics so moving this to politics or conspiracy is a way of putting down opposition to the anti free speech crowd.



The snowflakes in the Pub can't handle people disagreeing with their liberal positions, but as a result traffic is now down in the Pub as viewers don't have any real content to read.

So "the vibe" is now "positive" but viewership is down, why am I not surprised?  BTW, I'm assuming traffic is down because it's dead in there now, I don't think it's a wild speculation on my part.



its driving traffic to political discussion, but that's a double edged sword.  You had been becoming gradually more credible until so many far-rightwingers started showing up.  the viktors and eminences have been a bad influence on you.  You've been running with a bad crowd, Q.  It's not that I'm mad, I'm just disappointed. 
We used to have real discussions around here sometimes.  People would make claims that they could back up with sources.  We might not ever agree, but at least we would have something to think about.  Now everyone is too busy shouting slogans at each other.  Even the Shroomery has fallen victim to the trumpification of the political discourse.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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ballsalsa said:
qman said:
Stonehenge said:
Its really cause staff is in favor of all left wing lunatics so moving this to politics or conspiracy is a way of putting down opposition to the anti free speech crowd.



The snowflakes in the Pub can't handle people disagreeing with their liberal positions, but as a result traffic is now down in the Pub as viewers don't have any real content to read.

So "the vibe" is now "positive" but viewership is down, why am I not surprised?  BTW, I'm assuming traffic is down because it's dead in there now, I don't think it's a wild speculation on my part.



its driving traffic to political discussion, but that's a double edged sword.  You had been becoming gradually more credible until so many far-rightwingers started showing up.  the viktors and eminences have been a bad influence on you.  You've been running with a bad crowd, Q.  It's not that I'm mad, I'm just disappointed. 
We used to have real discussions around here sometimes.  People would make claims that they could back up with sources.  We might not ever agree, but at least we would have something to think about.  Now everyone is too busy shouting slogans at each other.  Even the Shroomery has fallen victim to the trumpification of the political discourse.




"bad influence on you. You're running with a bad crown, Q"

Too funny, my positions haven't changed. In fact, I had those positions years before Trump ever entered the picture, if others happen to agree or disagree with me I don't really care. I'm not here to be popular, I'm here to voice my opinions.

"Even the Shroomery has fallen victim to the trumpification of the political discourse"

Why wouldn't it since it's taken place everywhere else in this nation, if not most of Western culture?

I didn't need Trump to tell me about economic tariffs, illegal immigration and the harm of liberal nut cases like ANTIFA.

You see Trump didn't create Trumpism, the backlash to The Establishment and political correctness did, it's just nature taking its course.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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didn't need him to warn about conservative nutcases either. like the Ten Monuments guy.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: ballsalsa]
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I'm a bad influence? Lol. I'm glad you think highly enough of me to consider me influential here, but I'm pretty sure people all over the country are coming to their own conclusions about these things if they hadn't already been thinking it for years.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence] * 2
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You're right about that. People who dont think are arriving at those conclusions everyday.


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