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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
Everyone knows who fascists are, they are anyone who voted for trump, silly. Right cyrus?



Well we know Trump voters are deplorable and irredeemable.  :cookiemonster:

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
Everyone knows who fascists are, they are anyone who voted for trump, silly. Right cyrus?



I wouldn't say that many trump supporters are misinformed working class voters who mistankingly assumed Trump would help them. I would say the real fascists are stormfront types alt right youtube personalities.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cyrus19]
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Or they were informed well enough to know the hill-billy was no good and took a chance on the trumpster. I'm already disillusioned but would not take the nasty bitch if I could do it over again.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
Or they were informed well enough to know the hill-billy was no good and took a chance on the trumpster. I'm already disillusioned but would not take the nasty bitch if I could do it over again.



You are right Hillary was not working for the working class. As I have said before on here the US has two right wing parties the far right republicans and the center right democrats. Americans deserve a real choice not just two right wing parties.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman] * 4
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Being violent against fascists makes YOU a fascist.

Just ask the Allied powers of WW2.



Sounds like you're attempting to justify the violent actions of "ANTIFA" groups, is that the case?



No im just ridiculing the idiots who equivocate them with fascists.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
ballsalsa said:
qman said:
mescalator said:
Does anyone on this site actually agree with ANTIFA?





There's plenty, they're the "enlightened" people that support Islam and every other culture that disagrees with true liberal Western values. :lol:



name names or keep your insinuations to yourself.



You also know who they are, I'm not here to call out specific members and digging through their posting history to satisfy your needs.




ballsalsa said:
that's a chickenshit excuse.



qman said:
qman said:
Cyrus19 said:
Fuck fascists



I agree, who are they today?



:lol: stop it please my sides



Well you seem to have identified fascists, I'm just wondering in your opinion who they happen to be and why?



Look man if your going to play dumb I won't bite.



Who's playing dumb, it's a sincere question. 

If you want to make a bunch of generalizations without any meaning or substance to it, why waste the time?

If you have something to say just say it, why the apprehension?</font>



:lol: you're serious right now.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: ballsalsa]
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You guys need to try Alex Jones "super cuck beta male vitality" it'll put hair on the Antifa chest

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Being violent against fascists makes YOU a fascist.

Just ask the Allied powers of WW2.



Sounds like you're attempting to justify the violent actions of "ANTIFA" groups, is that the case?



No im just ridiculing the idiots who equivocate them with fascists.



They're fascist wannabes.  :lol:

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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Are people in ANTIFA mainly angry white male homosexuals? :lol:


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: mescalator] * 1
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Antifa, a decentralized movement opposing fascism, is often misunderstood as a cohesive group with a single strategy. Critics mistakenly assume antifa as a unified force, but it's crucial to recognize its decentralized nature. Violence is a key aspect of antifa's tactics, particularly in halting fascist activities through "no platform" principles. While this has proven effective in Europe, its replication in the US and Canada has been slower. The rise of openly fascist elements in American politics has spurred antifa's response, but it's important to distinguish between individual actions and the broader movement. Antifa's actions, though often violent, are a response to the far-right's increasing violence. Criticizing specific actions can improve effectiveness, but it's essential to acknowledge the media bias towards antifa. For a deeper understanding, the documentary "Antifa: Chasseurs de Skins" is recommended.

Remember, antifascist action (antifa) is a decentralized entity centred around militant resistance to fascism. You could possibly understand 'antifa' to serve the function of an early #hashtag; using a collective label to describe autonomous groups made cohesion and solidarity simpler in an era before social media. But it is wrong to understand antifa as a cohesive entity operating off of a single playbook.

It is fair to criticize individual actions claimed by antifascists, but fairly ridiculous to oppose the premise of antifascism in principle; and that's what you're doing when you attempt to blanket criticize antifa, because the only thing that truly unites antifascist activists everywhere is our opposition to fascism. For example, do you feel antifascists fighting against ISIS in Rojava are subject to these criticisms of yours?

Yes, violence plays its character throughout these stories of antifascist resistance. Physical confrontation is not only a common part of antifa organizing, but is central to its praxis. The antifa project itself is founded on a “no platform” principle, which means halting fascist organizing, speech, and public expression through any available means. This tactic is not meant just to create a counter-narrative, but to sever fascist access to any form of speech and to keep militancy as a central tenet. This strategy of organizing has been successful through the early days of the National Front, into the veneer of respectability with the British National Party (BNP), and later into groups like Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West (PEGIDA), the English Defense League (EDL), and the UK Independence Party (UKIP). These nationalist groups were founded through connections between the mainstream political sphere on the one hand, and violent racist street gangs on the other; and antifascist groups, using the "no platform" principal, have had documented success in destroying/preventing these connections.

Antifascist direct action movements like AFA and Red Action have not been fully replicated in the US or Canada. This is not to say, however, that anti-racist organizing has not been successful there; SHARP and RASH toeing up to neo-Nazi skinhead culture in the 90's is a good example, but this was mostly contained within a subculture and did not feature the widespread attention current antifascist action in the USA does. In the US, the racial street terrorists primarily take the forms of various incarnations of the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazi skinheads. There is a history of crossover into political movements, notably with organizations like the Council of Conservative Citizens’ connections to the KKK and the American Freedom Party with Golden State Skinheads in California. Those connections are real, but the political organizations they prop up have little to no actual crossover into the general political sphere. This is a large difference from Europe where fascist parties hold representative positions; and probably a large reason behind the noticeable difference between antifascist action taking place in N. America and the rest of the world.

What you are seeing happening in American politics today, though - and this is well documented - is that openly fascist elements are seeing widespread acceptance among the less extreme members of the right to a degree not seen before. It has reached the point to where the far-rights candidate of choice now holds power in the USA; and what you are seeing is the antifascist resistance rise in response. Someone who is comfortable marching with open neo-Nazis is not convinced that antifascists are the real fascists when they get punched in the face later that day; if you are comfortable marching with neo-Nazis, you have already made up your mind.

Remember, statistically it is elements of the far-right who are currently perpetrating the greatest violence (up to and including killings). If the violent actions of antifa (mostly limited to physical assault and harassment) is enough for you to consider a violent reaction towards antifascists as being appropriate, what kind of response does the greater violence of the far-right endorse?

I think it is fair to criticize individuals actions, so that we can better improve our effectiveness. This is especially true when you consider that a large number of people now repping antifa have been only very recently turned on to the concept; no point being arrested for sloppy actions. That being said, you must also remember that the media slant towards antifascist and anarchist organizing is a very heavy one. If your main source of information on an action is through news reports and youtube videos, perhaps it is better to leave the criticism for those with direct experience.

If you want to have a better grasp of what actually constitutes antifascist action, I recommend the documentary "Antifa: Chasseurs de Skins"; a 2008 French documentary on how groups of youth in 1980's Paris generated a backlash against the neo-Nazi skinhead subculture, and by doing so earned themselves the nickname Chasseurs de Skins or ‘Skinhead Hunters’.



Also, antifascists make better music than fascists:


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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JustATourist said:
As far as I know "Antifa" is not a specific organisation, only very different people and groups that call themselves "anti-fascists".

Pretty much all antifa protestors in the US are just SJW anti-free speech silly kids.

Around the world other groups that call themselves "anti-fascists" don't seem to have anything to do with these people.
Here is a group calling themselves "anti-fascists" who fought and won against an ISIS group in Syria:





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shivas.wisdom
For example, do you feel antifascists fighting against ISIS in Rojava are subject to these criticisms of yours?



Of course not. These are real men, fighting real fascism. Just like my Granddad and his brother fighting the Nazis in WW2.

The pencil necked "antifascist" faggots of today in our country's, are for the most part, nothing but a bunch of self hating, middle class white kids, who have been indoctrinated at university into the retarded life of political correctness and speech censorship. Sounds kinda fascist to me :facepalm:

Radical Jihadists regularly hold hate filled rallies across the UK and the rest of Europe for that matter. Do Antifa show up to voice their opposition? Do they fuck. And people wonder why know one takes these little bitches seriously.

Ironically, the only ones who do voice their opposition to these radical Jihadists, are the ones labeled as fascists and racists by the so called Antifa fags ..... I guess the irony is lost on these self entitled little girls.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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This forum post argues against blanket criticism of antifascist groups (antifa), emphasizing that antifa is a decentralized movement primarily focused on opposing fascism. The author clarifies that antifa's tactics, including physical confrontation and the "no platform" principle, are central to its praxis and have been successful in disrupting fascist organizations across Europe and the US. While acknowledging the violent actions sometimes associated with antifa, the post stresses that the far-right's violence is far more dangerous. It encourages constructive criticism and understanding of antifa's role in countering rising fascist elements in American politics. The author concludes by defending antifa's necessity in the face of growing far-right influence, drawing parallels to historical antifascist movements.

shivas.wisdom said:
Remember, antifascist action (antifa) is a decentralized entity centred around militant resistance to fascism. You could possibly understand 'antifa' to serve the function of an early #hashtag; using a collective label to describe autonomous groups made cohesion and solidarity simpler in an era before social media. But it is wrong to understand antifa as a cohesive entity operating off of a single playbook.

It is fair to criticize individual actions claimed by antifascists, but fairly ridiculous to oppose the premise of antifascism in principle; and that's what you're doing when you attempt to blanket criticize antifa, because the only thing that truly unites antifascist activists everywhere is our opposition to fascism. For example, do you feel antifascists fighting against ISIS in Rojava are subject to these criticisms of yours?

Yes, violence plays its character throughout these stories of antifascist resistance. Physical confrontation is not only a common part of antifa organizing, but is central to its praxis. The antifa project itself is founded on a “no platform” principle, which means halting fascist organizing, speech, and public expression through any available means. This tactic is not meant just to create a counter-narrative, but to sever fascist access to any form of speech and to keep militancy as a central tenet. This strategy of organizing has been successful through the early days of the National Front, into the veneer of respectability with the British National Party (BNP), and later into groups like Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West (PEGIDA), the English Defense League (EDL), and the UK Independence Party (UKIP). These nationalist groups were founded through connections between the mainstream political sphere on the one hand, and violent racist street gangs on the other; and antifascist groups, using the "no platform" principal, have had documented success in destroying/preventing these connections.

Antifascist direct action movements like AFA and Red Action have not been fully replicated in the US or Canada. This is not to say, however, that anti-racist organizing has not been successful there; SHARP and RASH toeing up to neo-Nazi skinhead culture in the 90's is a good example, but this was mostly contained within a subculture and did not feature the widespread attention current antifascist action in the USA does. In the US, the racial street terrorists primarily take the forms of various incarnations of the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazi skinheads. There is a history of crossover into political movements, notably with organizations like the Council of Conservative Citizens’ connections to the KKK and the American Freedom Party with Golden State Skinheads in California. Those connections are real, but the political organizations they prop up have little to no actual crossover into the general political sphere. This is a large difference from Europe where fascist parties hold representative positions; and probably a large reason behind the noticeable difference between antifascist action taking place in N. America and the rest of the world.

What you are seeing happening in American politics today, though - and this is well documented - is that openly fascist elements are seeing widespread acceptance among the less extreme members of the right to a degree not seen before. It has reached the point to where the far-rights candidate of choice now holds power in the USA; and what you are seeing is the antifascist resistance rise in response. Someone who is comfortable marching with open neo-Nazis is not convinced that antifascists are the real fascists when they get punched in the face later that day; if you are comfortable marching with neo-Nazis, you have already made up your mind.

Remember, statistically it is elements of the far-right who are currently perpetrating the greatest violence (up to and including killings). If the violent actions of antifa (mostly limited to physical assault and harassment) is enough for you to consider a violent reaction towards antifascists as being appropriate, what kind of response does the greater violence of the far-right endorse?

I think it is fair to criticize individuals actions, so that we can better improve our effectiveness. This is especially true when you consider that a large number of people now repping antifa have been only very recently turned on to the concept; no point being arrested for sloppy actions. That being said, you must also remember that the media slant towards antifascist and anarchist organizing is a very heavy one. If your main source of information on an action is through news reports and youtube videos, perhaps it is better to leave the criticism for those with direct experience.

If you want to have a better grasp of what actually constitutes antifascist action, I recommend the documentary "Antifa: Chasseurs de Skins"; a 2008 French documentary on how groups of youth in 1980's Paris generated a backlash against the neo-Nazi skinhead subculture, and by doing so earned themselves the nickname Chasseurs de Skins or ‘Skinhead Hunters’.



Also, antifascists make better music than fascists:






QUOTED FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING TRUTH.


The fact that a number of antifa are a bit of a disgrace, which is mirrored among the fascists, I think in the Reich a lot of neonazis would find themselves on the same one way track to Poland as the antifa, does not negate the fact that their uniting factor is an opposition against fascism.

:antifascist:

Antifascism is a movement born out of need to counter upsurging force of fascism, national socialism and other totalitarianism, which is why you also have Antifa fighting ISIS, antifascism is more a form of antitotalitarianism, and Antifa are a riotous autonomous and decentralized branch thereof who are willing to get on the barricades and physically confront and drive back this force of oppression.

That the Shroomery would have a thread devoited to an almost unanymous belittling of antifa is a CRAZY development. Its completely opposed to the values that the community held dear in the early years.

Rallying against antifascists?

I know you got another civil war coming and are ramping up to rage it out in the streets but, really? :sad:


If we have to choose sides between Antifascism and being opposed to Antifascism, I'll choose Antifascism.





:zappaisgod: was a very outspoken antifascist, so this is not about left or right, he was more republican than the republican party is today. He would not hesitate to call many Antifa heinous but he had a clear enough view on the force of fascism in history and today, to oppose it.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Asante]
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differences.

Edited by akira_akuma (08/31/17 02:53 PM)

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
all of this crap is "fascism-lite"...i mean, Trump supporters? REALLY? they aren't fucking fascists. hell, some of them probably don't even know what the fuck it is, and just claim it because it's meme worthy.

the antifascist belittling are over those whom are trying to beat up Trump supporters for simply supporting their NON-FASCIST president. i think that's why they are being belittled. because they don't know what the fuck they are doing, in that regard. Zappa would have recognized that too, at least, who knows...but i think! he probably would have been no fan of Trump either (not conservative enough) but he wouldn't have thought he or his supporters were actual fascists.



Yea I don't consider Trump a real fascist like you said fascist lite. His supporters are primarily the working class who have been duped by a slick con man.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cyrus19]
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NO.... NAZIS.. THEY ARE ALL FASCIST NAZIS.. EVERY LAST ONE. PUNCH THEM ALL IN THE FACE. DONT LET THEM SPEAK. NO SPACE FOR FASHES@!!!


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Gotta watch out for those Clock 19s



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Re: ANTIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
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See...any sane person is against fascism. But you defend the degenerates that throw home made bombs at average Trump supporters and set buildings on fire because you are so easily triggered by words. That's why "Antifa" is a laughing stock. None of you even know what you're doing, and none of you are the slightest bit intimidating! I would "Sieg Heil" to your face just to watch you get slapped down instantly :lol:


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Shroomism]
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I'm pretty sure Hitler would consider Trump an undisciplined sack of shit, so the comparison goes astray.

Nazism is defined by ORDER, neat rows of people locked in iron lockstep.

Trumpism (lets call it that) is defined by CHAOS, everybody doing whatever and the president addressing the world from the bathroom on twitter.

That's a big difference.

A Nazi rally resembles a running machine, everybody doing exactly their part and the rest is focus. A Trump rally is inbetween a town hall meeting and a lynching mob.

Order and Chaos, two opposites.


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http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/feminist-explains-why-she-left-social-justice-cult

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“I see increasing numbers of so-called liberals cheering censorship and defending violence as a response to speech. I see seemingly reasonable people wishing death on others and laughing at escalating suicide and addiction rates of the white working class. I see liberal think pieces written in opposition to expressing empathy or civility in interactions with those with whom we disagree. I see 63 million Trump voters written off as “nazis” who are okay to target with physical violence. I see concepts like equality and justice being used as a mask for resentful, murderous rage.

How easy is it for ordinary humans to commit atrocious acts? History teaches us it’s pretty damn easy when you are blinded to your own hypocrisy. When you believe you are morally superior, when you have dehumanized those you disagree with, you can justify almost anything. In a particularly vocal part of the left, justification for dehumanizing and committing violence against those on the right has already begun.

The ideology is post-modernist cultural marxism, and it operates as a secular religion. Most are indoctrinated in liberal elite colleges, though many are being indoctrinated online these days. It has its own dogma and jargon, meant to make you feel like a good person, and used to lecture others on their ‘sin.’ “Check your privilege”- much like “mansplaining” and “gaslighting”- all at one time useful terms- have over time lost a lot of their meaning."




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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Eminence]
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Eminence said:
you defend the degenerates that throw home made bombs at average Trump supporters and set buildings on fire because you are so easily triggered by words



Where's Shivas.Wisdom doing that? He very clearly distinguishes between the wheat and the chaff of antifascism.


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