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HP Lovecraft was a visionary * 2
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Just started reading some of his work again and man was he ahead of his time.

The Mountains of Madness is epic, so many far out concepts...

I was reading an excerpt from one story he wrote that stated he apparently got many of his ideas from his dreams. Which could explain why his work is so far out for how old it is.

I wish I could have met him, I bet he would have been a shroomerite if he lived today :awesomenod:

If you haven't read his stories seriously check some out. The app cthulhoid has a bunch of his writing in a convenient digital format, I still want to get a book collection of his stuff though.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


Edited by musiclover420 (06/13/17 03:14 PM)

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: musiclover420] * 3
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When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.
- Howard P. "Groidhater" Lovecraft

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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I :heart: Lovecraft.

The Shadow over Innsmouth and the White Ship are my favorite of his writings.


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Maiden, Mother, and Crone.

You are Me and I am You.

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: SARAtonin]
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SARAtonin said:
I :heart: Lovecraft.

The Shadow over Innsmouth and the White Ship are my favorite of his writings.



Me too and music of eric zann


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Edited by JonBongGroovy (06/13/17 03:53 PM)

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: JonBongGroovy]
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I plan on reading Shadow over Innsmouth, The Dream Cycle set, and the Shadow Out of Time.. in the near future a lot of his idea's are in bloodborne

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: Konyap]
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Mad_Larkin said:
When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.
- Howard P. "Groidhater" Lovecraft



Is that an actual quote? He did live in very racist times so I can't say that would surprise me.

I don't know much about his personality but he seemed pretty open minded especially for the time he lived in. His writing is often about the follies of humans in general so I don't think he focused on race much.

SARAtonin said:
I :heart: Lovecraft.

The Shadow over Innsmouth and the White Ship are my favorite of his writings.



Have you heard the song The White Ship by the band HP Lovecraft?

Interesting stuff, they also have a song named after the Mountains of Madness and a few others.

Konyap said:
I plan on reading Shadow over Innsmouth, The Dream Cycle set, and the Shadow Out of Time.. in the near future a lot of his idea's are in bloodborne



It's crazy how many works of art he has influenced, I see lovecraftian names even in the randomest of places. For example the anime Hunter x Hunter has a sort of alien antagonist named Nylarthotep or something similar.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: musiclover420] * 1
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Bloodborne has a lot of philosophy thrown into it as well because it's just that sort of game, it's trying to capture people who read comics growing up.

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Mad_Larkin said:
When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.
- Howard P. "Groidhater" Lovecraft



:rofl:

N8ce plot twist

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: musiclover420]
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I just love me some Lovecraft, but yeah, he was a fervent racist. Of course, a majority of the white population was at that time.

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: Le_Canard]
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At that time?


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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: SARAtonin]
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Yep. He was born around the turn of the 20th and died a few years before WWII if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: Le_Canard]
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I was just being sarcastic because white peoples are still quite racist now.


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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: SARAtonin]
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This is true, but we're far from the the days of lynching black men for something as mundane as walking in a white women's shadow. (I'm being serious here too)

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: musiclover420]
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True, I was just trying to be silly.
musiclover420 said:
Is that an actual quote? He did live in very racist times so I can't say that would surprise me.

I don't know much about his personality but he seemed pretty open minded especially for the time he lived in. His writing is often about the follies of humans in general so I don't think he focused on race much.

Have you heard the song The White Ship by the band HP Lovecraft?

Interesting stuff, they also have a song named after the Mountains of Madness and a few others.




You can see it bleed over into his writing on occasion.
For instance Horror at Red Hook is basically about Lovecrafts fear of immigrants and Shadow Over Innsmouth is basically about the interracial marriage.

And no, I hadn't heard of that band before but I just looked em out, that's pretty crazy they liked Lovecraft that much back in the 60s they made a band about him. :lol:


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Maiden, Mother, and Crone.

You are Me and I am You.

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: SARAtonin]
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The whites didn't like blacks because they smoke and drank a lot and there were a lot of pimps but the whites were not letting them open up their own business' and forcing them to starve basically

Nowadays everyone acts like a 'black' person at a certain age

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: musiclover420]
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OP

Facts concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family

Short, quick, fun read of a story of his


musiclover420 said:
Mad_Larkin said:
When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.
- Howard P. "Groidhater" Lovecraft



Is that an actual quote? He did live in very racist times so I can't say that would surprise me.

I don't know much about his personality but he seemed pretty open minded especially for the time he lived in. His writing is often about the follies of humans in general so I don't think he focused on race much.
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It is difficult to separate Lovecraft’s racism from his stories. For example, “The Horror at Red Hook" is both one of Lovecraft’s most well-known stories and one of his most racist, with Lovecraft describing Aryan civilization as being all that stands against the “primitive half-ape savagery” of lesser races.



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Response to those who say Lovecraft merely reflected the racism and hatred of his times

H.P. Lovecraft lived in what has been called the nadir of American race relations. Because of this many people attempt to excuse Lovecraft’s racism and anti-Semitism as merely being a product of his time.

However, Lovecraft’s racism and anti-Semitism went far beyond the norm even of those horrific times. And as times changed, Lovecraft didn’t change with them, instead sticking firmly to his racism and anti-Semitism.

Lovecraft’s hateful views were a major concern of his wife Sonia Greene, who was Jewish. Sonia was extremely disturbed by Lovecraft’s anti-Semitism and repeatedly raised this issue with Lovecraft, as related in this Wired article which states “Greene told a biographer later that she kept reminding Lovecraft about her own background, but it didn’t seem to dissuade him from his fear of Jews and other immigrants.”

Sonia even once confronted Lovecraft on how she was a member of a group he despised, to which he responded by saying she “no longer belonged to these mongrels.”

Despite Sonia repeatedly raising these issues with Lovecraft, she later wrote, “Whenever we found ourselves in the racially mixed crowds which characterize New York, Howard would become livid with rage. He seemed almost to lose his mind.”

It’s likely even Lovecraft knew his views were not the standard racism and hate of his day. Otherwise, why would he have worked so hard to defend his views? An example of this is related in S.T. Joshi's A Dreamer and a Visionary: H.P. Lovecraft and his Time. Joshi describes how Charles D. Isaacson wrote an essay on racial tolerance which also attacked the film Birth of a Nation for inciting “racial hatred.” In response Lovecraft wrote that “Mr. Isaacson’s views on racial prejudice … are too subjective to be impartial.”

Isaacson responded with an essay attacking Lovecraft, saying that the author “is against tolerance of color, creed and equality, upholds race prejudice…”

The year this exchange took place? 1915. Even that long ago people were willing to call out Lovecraft for his racism.

Lovecraft’s friend Wilfred Branch Talman also noted Lovecraft’s racism, although unlike with the Isaacson exchange Talman merely dismissed Lovecraft’s “racist viewpoint” as being part of the bizarre 18th century aristocratic pose Lovecraft affected. But the fact that Talman even noticed Lovecraft’s racism during one of the most racist times in American history speaks volumes about how bad Lovecraft’s views were.



:cookiemonster:

http://www.jasonsanford.com/blog/2016/10/disturbed-by-lovecraft

The link has various links to references -- apparently in the conversation with his wife regarding "mongrels"
he had also referred to the various races of New York as the 'alien hordes'

Maybe that fear of the world surrounding him
drove the fear of the unknown and hostile experience he seemed to view life as
which was influential in his writings
:shrug:

Literary genius with an undeniable impact on the fantasy genre
and love his work either way

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Re: HP Lovecraft was a visionary [Re: Tantrika]
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Interesting stuff. I wonder if his racism had any source, such as racist parents or religious views :strokebeard:

Could be like you said his fear of the unknown that led him to be bigoted, that is certainly sad whatever his reasoning.

He was still a visionary though and I would have loved to meet him. I wonder if had he been raised in current times he would be more or less racist :strokebeard:

I find it especially interesting he can write stuff like The Mountains Of Madness while being racist towards certain groups of people. That story sends a message that being "human" is more then just being a homo sapien and that other species can be just as "human" even if they appear alien to us. So it's sort of funny he has such an open mind towards aliens and inter-dimensional beings but still fears foreign humans.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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