ballsalsa said:

Torture is wrong.
Its shameful for us as a nation.

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Arose Chaos said:

Fuck it, why not give a terrorist a cold beer and a gourmet meal. Who cares about the wanting to kill Americans and other people motivation.

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who cares about American military forces leading bombing runs and ACTUALLY KILLING CIVILIANS ON A REGULAR BASIS, NOT 'ONCE IN A WHILE' EVENTS?

Arose Chaos said:

I don't see waterboarding as torture. The enemy does far worse to those they capture.

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Arose Chaos said:

...the CIA and other entities should have available methods to gain information to keep Americans safe.

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But torture has been proven ineffective. 

Scientists to Trump: Torture doesn’t work
Interrogation Research Is Lacking, Report Says

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Arose Chaos said:

I don't see waterboarding as torture. The enemy does far worse to those they capture.

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But that's not a reason waterboarding isn't torture.

No Doubt about It: Waterboarding Is Torture. Period.
Waterboarding is severe torture: Research findings

Arose Chaos said:

...the CIA and other entities should have available methods to gain information to keep Americans safe.

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But torture has been proven ineffective. 

Scientists to Trump: Torture doesn’t work
Interrogation Research Is Lacking, Report Says

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demiu5 said:

Arose Chaos said:

Fuck it, why not give a terrorist a cold beer and a gourmet meal. Who cares about the wanting to kill Americans and other people motivation.

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who cares about American military forces leading bombing runs and ACTUALLY KILLING CIVILIANS ON A REGULAR BASIS, NOT 'ONCE IN A WHILE' EVENTS?

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Quote:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

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Article 1

1. For the purposes of this Convention, the term "torture" means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

2. This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.

Article 2

1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.

2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.

3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.

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5-75.
If used in conjunction with intelligence interrogations,    prohibited actions include, but are not limited to—
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Forcing  the  detainee  to  be  naked, perform sexual  acts, or  pose  in  a  sexual manner.
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Placing  hoods  or  sacks  over  the  head  of  a  detainee, using  duct  tape  over the eyes.
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Applying  beatings,  electric  shock, burns, or  other  forms  of  physical  pain.
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“Waterboarding.”
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Using military working dogs.
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Inducing hypothermia or heat injury.
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Conducting mock executions.
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Depriving the detainee of necessary food,water, or medical care.

5-76.
While using legitimate interrogation techniques, certain applications of approaches  and  techniques  may  approach  the  line  between  permissible  actions  and  prohibited  actions.  It  may  often  be  difficult  to  determine  where permissible actions  end  and  prohibited actions  begin.  In  attempting  to determine if  a  contemplated  approach  or  technique  should  be  considered prohibited, and  therefore  should  not  be included  in  an  interrogation  plan, consider these two tests before submitting the plan for approval:
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If  the  proposed  approach  technique  were  used  by the  enemy  against  one  of  your  fellow  soldiers,  would  you  believe  the  soldier  had  been  abused?
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Could  your  conduct  in  carrying  out the proposed technique  violate  a law or regulation? Keep in mind that even if you personally would not consider  your  actions  to  constitute  abuse,  the  law  may  be  more  restrictive.
5-77.
If  you  answer  yes  to  either  of  these  tests, the  contemplated  action should not be  conducted.

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Arose Chaos said:

I don't see waterboarding as torture. The enemy does far worse to those they capture. If your talking about bamboo under the fingernails, or shock torture sure.. But the CIA and other entities should have available methods to gain information to keep Americans safe.

Fuck it, why not give a terrorist a cold beer and a gourmet meal. Who cares about the wanting to kill Americans and other people motivation.

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if the USA tortures, then torture of US soldiers is entirely justified in an eye-for-an-eye situation. You're the most powerful nation and military in the world, supposedly 'great' and supposedly represent some kind of 'ideals'. With a military the size of america's, I think you can afford to be the bigger man in situations like this. But apparently not

tdubz said:

I want to be patriotic and say as an American torture is OK because it is helping us get the info we need to preserve our "great" country, but when it comes down to it we are no better than ISIS or any other terrorist organization, we are the same thing only we are politically, strategically, and societally organized. We are doing the same thing they are doing, but the United States is using the guise of "freedom" to liberate other countries which really means "steal their resources" and "strategic position" for future world conflicts. Arguably, that can be said what the proxy Syrian war is between the United States and Russia. And of course the other example would be South Korea. I mean that's what black sites really are...places where American law does not apply with regards to torture. So I'm assuming anything goes. Which is exactly why the government does not want any testimonies about it.       

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Arose Chaos said:

It's not always to gain resources as you said.we look out for the people getting oppressed. WMD's or not, we still kicked out an evil dictator. Same thing with the Syria airstrike, a message saying if you use chemical weapons, we will fuck you up.

ISIS want to create a caliphat, which I suggest you look up. They stone, burn, drown, shoot, behead and do ungodly things to people for petty "crimes".

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sprinkles said:

like trump said when he was running for president..



isis is throwing people in vats of boiling tar and cutting peoples heads off.  Meanwhile we are crying over waterboarding. 



the terrorists are laughing.

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ISIS is evil, so the US should be evil too???