Webster10 said:

The Ecstatic said:

He cloaks his bigotry better than most

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Come on, man. Do you talk like this in real life too? No one is "cloaking bigotry." I believe Viktor is advocating for strong borders in the interest of national security. Why do some liberals on this board always pull the "bigot" card? Do they have no other means of arguing?

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qman said:

Enlil said:

Violent crime is way down in Germany.

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It depends on the starting point one is using, which is when?

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akira_akuma said:

qman said:

Enlil said:

Violent crime is way down in Germany.

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It depends on the starting point one is using, which is when?

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which one are you using?

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Suspected crime itself is an extremely dubious stat, especially when we hear about Europeans blaming migrants for shit they didnt even do all the time.

I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.

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Yeah, that massive increase in murder, manslaughter, rape, sexual and physical assaults must be those natives overreacting again. 

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qman said:

akira_akuma said:

qman said:

Enlil said:

Violent crime is way down in Germany.

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It depends on the starting point one is using, which is when?

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which one are you using?

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The link to the article I posted was comparing 2015 to 2016. I think that's the most important time frame to analyze considering the flooding of African and Muslims into the EU in the past few years.

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ballsalsa said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Suspected crime itself is an extremely dubious stat, especially when we hear about Europeans blaming migrants for shit they didnt even do all the time.

I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.

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Yeah, that massive increase in murder, manslaughter, rape, sexual and physical assaults must be those natives overreacting again. 

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I understand that your position is that any increase is unnecessary and therefore unacceptable.
For everyone else, i think it is important to keep perspective about how significant the rise in crime has been.
If migrants and refugees are supposedly responsible for 12% of suspected crime, that means that european natives are responsible for 88%.  That matters when we are discussing a narrative of "criminal migrant invasion"

Any claims of overreaction can be debated of course, but lets base that debate on data.

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Webster10 said:

The Ecstatic said:

Suspected crime itself is an extremely dubious stat, especially when we hear about Europeans blaming migrants for shit they didnt even do all the time.

I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.

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Yeah man it's just the locals being racist

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Suspected crime itself is an extremely dubious stat, especially when we hear about Europeans blaming migrants for shit they didnt even do all the time.

I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.

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Yeah, that massive increase in murder, manslaughter, rape, sexual and physical assaults must be those natives overreacting again. 

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qman said:

If 12% of the violent crime is coming from 1-2% of a certain demographic of people living in Germany, wouldn't the massive disproportional amount of crime on a relative basis be very alarming?  YES, that's the point. I'm not sure why you're struggling with this concept.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

If 12% of the violent crime is coming from 1-2% of a certain demographic of people living in Germany, wouldn't the massive disproportional amount of crime on a relative basis be very alarming?  YES, that's the point. I'm not sure why you're struggling with this concept.

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Very true.  Except migrants don't make up just 1-2% of Germany's demographics.  According to the demographic data, 9,107,893 of Germany's 80,219,695 population are migrants, or 11.4%.

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Suspected crime itself is an extremely dubious stat, especially when we hear about Europeans blaming migrants for shit they didnt even do all the time.

I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.

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Yeah, that massive increase in murder, manslaughter, rape, sexual and physical assaults must be those natives overreacting again. 

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Why is there no gray area for you people?

Why is it that when i say "theres a lot of racism" your mind translates that to "its ONLY because of racism?"

Care to explain?

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"no gray area for you people?"

Coming from a person who just posted sarcastically "yes officer there's a black guy driving around my predominately white neighborhood...driving that metric."

You're hilarious sometimes.

qman said:

Unfortunately, your link doesn't include the massive amount of migrants in 2015 (890,000) and 2016 (280,000). That's why the article I posted showed the huge difference in violent crime from 2015 to 2016.

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You might be right.  If we add 1,170,000 migrants to the numbers as you recommend, then 9,107,893 + 1,170,000 of Germany's 80,219,695 + 1,170,000 population are migrants, or 12.6%.

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Suspected crime itself is an extremely dubious stat, especially when we hear about Europeans blaming migrants for shit they didnt even do all the time.

I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.

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Yeah, that massive increase in murder, manslaughter, rape, sexual and physical assaults must be those natives overreacting again. 

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Why is there no gray area for you people?

Why is it that when i say "theres a lot of racism" your mind translates that to "its ONLY because of racism?"

Care to explain?

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"no gray area for you people?"

Coming from a person who just posted sarcastically "yes officer there's a black guy driving around my predominately white neighborhood...driving that metric."

You're hilarious sometimes.

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qman said:

ballsalsa said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Suspected crime itself is an extremely dubious stat, especially when we hear about Europeans blaming migrants for shit they didnt even do all the time.

I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.

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Yeah, that massive increase in murder, manslaughter, rape, sexual and physical assaults must be those natives overreacting again. 

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I understand that your position is that any increase is unnecessary and therefore unacceptable.
For everyone else, i think it is important to keep perspective about how significant the rise in crime has been.
If migrants and refugees are supposedly responsible for 12% of suspected crime, that means that european natives are responsible for 88%.  That matters when we are discussing a narrative of "criminal migrant invasion"

Any claims of overreaction can be debated of course, but lets base that debate on data.

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The issue is the percentage of crime RELATIVE to the specific demographic the statistics are referring to, not the total crime you seem to be so obsessed over.

If 12% of the violent crime is coming from 1-2% of a certain demographic of people living in Germany, wouldn't the massive disproportional amount of crime on a relative basis be very alarming?  YES, that's the point. I'm not sure why you're struggling with this concept.

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viktor said:

What would it take for you guys to concede that European natives have legitimate reason to feel that mass Muslim immigration had lowered their quality of life?

Is there anything at all?

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