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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Immigrants are responsible for 12% of violent crime?  And all this time you me thinking they were the ones causing most of the problems there.  :smirk:


That's not what the statistics stated, why am I not surprised you're ignoring the core issue.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 3
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migrants and refugees were estimated to have accounted for over 12% of all suspected crimes in 2016


so you're right, the real numbers are likely to be less than 12%, and that number includes all crimes, not just violent crime, which means that violent crime will be an even smaller fraction.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
Quote:
migrants and refugees were estimated to have accounted for over 12% of all suspected crimes in 2016


so you're right, the real numbers are likely to be less than 12%, and that number includes all crimes, not just violent crime, which means that violent crime will be an even smaller fraction.


"violent crime will be an even smaller fraction"

:lolwut:  How do you come up with that conclusion?

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201704261053007158-germany-migrant-crime-statistics/

"With regard to North Africans, 61 percent are young men, which explains the rise in violent crime including rape and murder" -Christian Pfeiffer, a criminologist and former Justice Minister in the state of Lower Saxony"

This is the reality on the ground. :shrug:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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The level of denial in some of these liberals is astounding.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said:
The level of denial in some of these liberals is astounding.


Anything to protect their flawed ideology, it's sad.

I'm a capitalist but I'll be the first person to point out capitalism's flaws, it's called being intellectually honest, something that's lacking among some people in this forum.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
ballsalsa said:
Quote:
migrants and refugees were estimated to have accounted for over 12% of all suspected crimes in 2016


so you're right, the real numbers are likely to be less than 12%, and that number includes all crimes, not just violent crime, which means that violent crime will be an even smaller fraction.


"violent crime will be an even smaller fraction"

:lolwut:  How do you come up with that conclusion?




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migrants and refugees were estimated to have accounted for over 12% of all suspected crimes in 2016.


i think that it is safe to assume that less than 100% of suspected crimes will lead to conviction for actual crimes.
Obviously, violent crime is a sub-section of total crime, so by definition it must be a lower number than the total crime number.

so that's how i came to that conclusion.  I'm not sure what other conclusion i could have come to based off the information in your post.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
qman said:
ballsalsa said:
Quote:
migrants and refugees were estimated to have accounted for over 12% of all suspected crimes in 2016


so you're right, the real numbers are likely to be less than 12%, and that number includes all crimes, not just violent crime, which means that violent crime will be an even smaller fraction.


"violent crime will be an even smaller fraction"

:lolwut:  How do you come up with that conclusion?




Again,
Quote:
migrants and refugees were estimated to have accounted for over 12% of all suspected crimes in 2016.


i think that it is safe to assume that less than 100% of suspected crimes will lead to conviction for actual crimes.
Obviously, violent crime is a sub-section of total crime, so by definition it must be a lower number than the total crime number.

so that's how i came to that conclusion.  I'm not sure what other conclusion i could have come to based off the information in your post.


"smaller fraction"

You suggested that migrants would be a smaller percentage of violent crime relative to overall crime, you have no information to lead to that conclusion and this discussion is based on percentages, not "total crime number".

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
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i suggested that violent crime is a fraction(or percentage if you want) of overall crime.
I also suggested that "estimated" percentages of "suspected crime" might end up being overstated compared to actual percentages of actual crime.
What about that is controversial?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
i suggested that violent crime is a fraction(or percentage if you want) of overall crime.
I also suggested that "estimated" percentages of "suspected crime" might end up being overstated compared to actual percentages of actual crime.
What about that is controversial?


Either way, we all know why violent crime is up in Germany, the statistics speak volumes.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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Violent crime is way down in Germany.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
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Yeah sweden and france too i hear... :smile:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
"smaller fraction"

You suggested that migrants would be a smaller percentage of violent crime relative to overall crime, you have no information to lead to that conclusion and this discussion is based on percentages, not "total crime number".


Umm no...he didnt suggest that. All he said is that violent crime is a subset of total crime. Which it is.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Violent crime is way down in Germany.


It depends on the starting point one is using, which is when?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
"smaller fraction"

You suggested that migrants would be a smaller percentage of violent crime relative to overall crime, you have no information to lead to that conclusion and this discussion is based on percentages, not "total crime number".


Umm no...he didnt suggest that. All he said is that violent crime is a subset of total crime. Which it is.


He stated "which means violent crime will be an even smaller fraction".

Yes, violent crime is a subset of total crime, but he claimed that migrant violent crime would be "even a smaller fraction (percentage)" relative to the general population, that's not very likely since we can see the massive increases in migrant violent crime statistics.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 3
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my claim was against the the percentage of total 'suspected" crime which is what your post was citing.

re-read what you posted, then re-read what i posted.

if that doesn't clear up your misconception about what i claimed, then i don't know that i can help you.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa] * 4
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Suspected crime itself is an extremely dubious stat, especially when we hear about Europeans blaming migrants for shit they didnt even do all the time.

I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Europe needs a saint and always has.

It's got such a damn bloody history.  Most of it is just pointless.  I don't believe in blood letting like a Nazi.  I can have a killer instinct however. 

Lot's of good people possibly in Europe.  So much of the politics is empty.  It's not really our drama.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Suspected crime itself is an extremely dubious stat, especially when we hear about Europeans blaming migrants for shit they didnt even do all the time.

I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.


Yeah man it's just the locals being racist :rolleyes:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Suspected crime itself is an extremely dubious stat, especially when we hear about Europeans blaming migrants for shit they didnt even do all the time.

I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.


Yeah, that massive increase in murder, manslaughter, rape, sexual and physical assaults must be those natives overreacting again.  :facepalm:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Webster10] * 2
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Webster10 said:
The Ecstatic said:
I'm sure theres a lot of "yes officer theres a black guy driving around my predominantly white neighborhood" type shit happening driving that metric.


Yeah man it's just the locals being racist :rolleyes:


You think that only happens in the US?


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