Tipote said:

Even the Saudis have taken Syrians but they do not class them as refugees, they just give them residency...the numbers are unclear.

Considering Saudi responsibility, they are doing not enough.

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The Ecstatic said:

Yeah you post that link every time I call you out on this claim, qman.

Its one EU chief citing supposed figures that arent available for corroboration.

If this was really the case I would think more than one authority figure would be talking about it, with maybe the facts to back it up.

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The Ecstatic said:

Is it your contention that

A) most migrants arent coming from wartorn nations

Or

B) most migrants coming from wartorn nation are unaffected by those wars, thereby not being true refugees


Or both?

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qman said:

What about the other Middle Eastern nations?  Or maybe most of these migrants aren't even coming from Syria, we know that for a fact.

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Is it your contention that

A) most migrants arent coming from wartorn nations

Or

B) most migrants coming from wartorn nation are unaffected by those wars, thereby not being true refugees


Or both?

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I think the general consensus is A, people coming from poor third world nations that are completely unaffected by military operations.

I think there's also plenty of B as well, considering so many men left their women and children behind.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

What about the other Middle Eastern nations?  Or maybe most of these migrants aren't even coming from Syria, we know that for a fact.

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I think its been shown they are mostly coming from Syria but many other places too, yes.

The other Middle Eastern nations? They are taking vast numbers of refugees, what are you talking about?

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Is it your contention that

A) most migrants arent coming from wartorn nations

Or

B) most migrants coming from wartorn nation are unaffected by those wars, thereby not being true refugees


Or both?

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I think the general consensus is A, people coming from poor third world nations that are completely unaffected by military operations.

I think there's also plenty of B as well, considering so many men left their women and children behind.

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I definitely thinks its more A than B as well, although probably a fair amount of both.

Its just extremely difficult to speculate on things like whether certain Syrians were truly affected by the war. There are probably migrants from non-wartorn nations affected by the war moreso than certain Syrians/Iraqis/Afghanis/Libyans.

All we had to do is set up proper vetting procedure but we shit the bed on that front, at least in the ME and the EU.

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Tipote said:

People can claim asylum even if their country isnt at war. if they flee persecution for various reasons..

I think Eritreans are fleeing an oppressive military system which basically conscripts them for life.

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Sure, anyone claim anything, that doesn't make it legitimate.

I'm going to Australia to claim persecution from Trump.

qman said:

Tipote said:

People can claim asylum even if their country isnt at war. if they flee persecution for various reasons..

I think Eritreans are fleeing an oppressive military system which basically conscripts them for life.

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Sure, anyone claim anything, that doesn't make it legitimate.

I'm going to Australia to claim persecution from Trump.

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Webster10 said:

Your argument 1) doesn't make sense and is just shit pulled out of your ass and 2)  should be applied to the other countries in the Middle East that aren't taking in any refugees

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you are missing the point which is why 1 can't even be readily delivered as a counter-point.

2, the middle east refused to take action.

Sweden decided to take action.

agency.

there was a crisis of conscious when the in-flux of refugees came over the EU, because of despotic terrorist rulers killing them indiscriminately in the most horrible fashions; and not all of these people were fighters, sadly.

Quote:

So not letting in economic migrants leads to "isolation"?  Total nonsense, money talks and bullshit walks.

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qman said:

Just because someone claims to be fleeing persecution, it doesn't mean it's true. A large amount of these people paid money to be smuggled into the EU for a better standard of living, most EU officials have acknowledged that fact.

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so just ignore agreements?

ok....look. Qman, go back to your hippie country...and tell them to stop making agreements they can't keep.

qman said:

Yet, humans rights groups say Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and UAE just threw money at the problem while not accepting the people.

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congrats, you can detect assholery...unless it's your own nation.

because Poland is perfect...

it should have a stayed a vassal state. no one, ever, should have lifted a finger to help lift them out of oppression. never.

because that's just lacking common sense.

akira_akuma said:

qman said:

Just because someone claims to be fleeing persecution, it doesn't mean it's true. A large amount of these people paid money to be smuggled into the EU for a better standard of living, most EU officials have acknowledged that fact.

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so just ignore agreements?

ok....look. Qman, go back to your hippie country...and tell them to stop making agreements they can't keep.

qman said:

Yet, humans rights groups say Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and UAE just threw money at the problem while not accepting the people.

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congrats, you can detect assholery...unless it's your own nation.

because Poland is perfect...

it should have a stayed a vassal state. no one, ever, should have lifted a finger to help lift them out of oppression. never.

because that's just lacking common sense.

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qman said:

"set up proper vetting procedure"

That's a pipe dream when tens of thousands are landing at your border everyday. 

This was never a logistical issue, it was a policy (open borders) issue.

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viktor said:

The sad thing is that guys like the Espastic, Mercuckian and Tipote will all become Nazis as soon as they sense it is fashionable to do so.

I know this because they are incapable of using reason. They have arrived at their political positions by absorbing those of their peers.

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ballsalsa said:

laying blame is easier than finding solutions.

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