qman said:

I'm not really even blaming the migrants for their lack of employment, if there were jobs in Sweden that could employ low skilled workers without any language skills, I'm sure they would take it.

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viktor said:

qman said:

I'm not really even blaming the migrants for their lack of employment, if there were jobs in Sweden that could employ low skilled workers without any language skills, I'm sure they would take it.

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I can tell you've never been to Sweden and met the immigrants there. Of course they don't work - they come from cultures that consider labour to be degrading, why would they work when the Swedes are happy to pay them a fat benefit for sitting around watching satellite TV all day?

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The Ecstatic said:

Yeah one of the richest, happiest, healthiest, and smartest nations on the planet just simply doesnt get it.

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The Ecstatic said:

Yeah one of the richest, happiest, healthiest, and smartest nations on the planet just simply doesnt get it.

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Webster10 said:

Ignoring that there's a problem and saying, "oh but Sweden is one of the richest smartest happiest and healthiest countries" is just pure fucking delusion.

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viktor said:

The Ecstatic said:

Yeah one of the richest, happiest, healthiest, and smartest nations on the planet just simply doesnt get it.

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The definitely got it from the 70s to the 90s, before the Islamic invasion and conquest of Rinkeby, Rosengard etc. During this time Sweden was rightly the envy of the world.

Then they pissed it all away in an effort to be the most non-racist country on Earth.

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The Ecstatic said:

viktor said:

The Ecstatic said:

Yeah one of the richest, happiest, healthiest, and smartest nations on the planet just simply doesnt get it.

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The definitely got it from the 70s to the 90s, before the Islamic invasion and conquest of Rinkeby, Rosengard etc. During this time Sweden was rightly the envy of the world.

Then they pissed it all away in an effort to be the most non-racist country on Earth.

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Ehhhh. I disagree with your last statement. Sweden, the Nordic countries in general, have some of the strictest immigration laws on the planet. The migrant crisis is just that, a crisis. The nations willing to help should not be admonished. Theyre all democracies, if you dont want your country to take in refugees, then put people into power who will withdraw your country from some or all of the geneva conventions. But youd better be sure you can do well in the atmosphere of isolationism (which is why the gulf nations arent lifting a finger). You need to offer the global community something in order to get out of this shared responsibility. For the US its military might. For Germany its economic power within the EU. For the Gulf states its oil.

What does Poland have? Slovakia? Greece? If were gonna be pragmatic leta be pragmatic: if youre not offering much benefit to your neighbors, who are already pulling more weight than you, guess who gets a disproportionate burden when one arises? You.

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Webster10 said:

Your argument 1) doesn't make sense and is just shit pulled out of your ass and 2)  should be applied to the other countries in the Middle East that aren't taking in any refugees

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

viktor said:

The Ecstatic said:

Yeah one of the richest, happiest, healthiest, and smartest nations on the planet just simply doesnt get it.

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The definitely got it from the 70s to the 90s, before the Islamic invasion and conquest of Rinkeby, Rosengard etc. During this time Sweden was rightly the envy of the world.

Then they pissed it all away in an effort to be the most non-racist country on Earth.

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Ehhhh. I disagree with your last statement. Sweden, the Nordic countries in general, have some of the strictest immigration laws on the planet. The migrant crisis is just that, a crisis. The nations willing to help should not be admonished. Theyre all democracies, if you dont want your country to take in refugees, then put people into power who will withdraw your country from some or all of the geneva conventions. But youd better be sure you can do well in the atmosphere of isolationism (which is why the gulf nations arent lifting a finger). You need to offer the global community something in order to get out of this shared responsibility. For the US its military might. For Germany its economic power within the EU. For the Gulf states its oil.

What does Poland have? Slovakia? Greece? If were gonna be pragmatic leta be pragmatic: if youre not offering much benefit to your neighbors, who are already pulling more weight than you, guess who gets a disproportionate burden when one arises? You.

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"withdraw your country from some or all the Geneva conventions"

What is that going to accomplish, the EU and UN both acknowledged that the vast majority of immigrants are economic migrants, not refugees. Do you really think Sweden even knows who they let into their own country?  Not likely.

"atmosphere of isolation"

So not letting in economic migrants leads to "isolation"?  Total nonsense, money talks and bullshit walks.

"What does Poland have?"

Enough commonsense not the let millions of Muslims/Africans to invade their homeland because people like you told them it's their moral obligation.

As a result, Poland doesn't have a socioeconomic migrant crisis and they're not isolated.

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viktor said:

The Ecstatic said:

Yeah one of the richest, happiest, healthiest, and smartest nations on the planet just simply doesnt get it.

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The definitely got it from the 70s to the 90s, before the Islamic invasion and conquest of Rinkeby, Rosengard etc. During this time Sweden was rightly the envy of the world.

Then they pissed it all away in an effort to be the most non-racist country on Earth.

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Ehhhh. I disagree with your last statement. Sweden, the Nordic countries in general, have some of the strictest immigration laws on the planet. The migrant crisis is just that, a crisis. The nations willing to help should not be admonished. Theyre all democracies, if you dont want your country to take in refugees, then put people into power who will withdraw your country from some or all of the geneva conventions. But youd better be sure you can do well in the atmosphere of isolationism (which is why the gulf nations arent lifting a finger). You need to offer the global community something in order to get out of this shared responsibility. For the US its military might. For Germany its economic power within the EU. For the Gulf states its oil.

What does Poland have? Slovakia? Greece? If were gonna be pragmatic leta be pragmatic: if youre not offering much benefit to your neighbors, who are already pulling more weight than you, guess who gets a disproportionate burden when one arises? You.

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"withdraw your country from some or all the Geneva conventions"

What is that going to accomplish, the EU and UN both acknowledged that the vast majority of immigrants are economic migrants, not refugees. Do you really think Sweden even knows who they let into their own country?  Not likely.

"atmosphere of isolation"

So not letting in economic migrants leads to "isolation"?  Total nonsense, money talks and bullshit walks.

"What does Poland have?"

Enough commonsense not the let millions of Muslims/Africans to invade their homeland because people like you told them it's their moral obligation.

As a result, Poland doesn't have a socioeconomic migrant crisis and they're not isolated.

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Always with the strawmen. ALWAYS.

1) a claim you continue to make based on zero evidence. If your problem is with proper vetting then say that.
2) money talks, exactly. What is poland or slovakia contributing? Greece? Not much, compared to france or germany or the uk. This is reality, you dont get to take the fantasy moral high ground after arguing for pragmatism for 400 pages.
3) unfortunately for poland, its not entirely up to them. If theyd like, they can vote in leaders who would remove them from international obligations like those of the EU and UN. Like I said.

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1. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12123684/Six-in-ten-migrants-not-entitled-to-asylum-says-EU-chief.html

"Frans Timmermans, the first vice president of the European Commission, said the majority of those coming to the EU are not fleeing war or persecution"

"It's about 60 per cent of all asylum seekers he said, citing internal figures held by Frontex, the EU border agency."

2. "What is Poland contributing?"

To what?  They're not taking in migrants like the EU demanded.

"Greece"

Is a disaster because they accepted too many migrants.

3. "unfortunately for Poland, it's not entirely up to them"

Well, the EU begged for them to accept migrants and they refused, the EU even tried to blackmail them with EU funding and Poland still said he wasn't worth it.  So it looks like it was up to Poland.

"they can vote in leaders who would remove them from international obligations"

You're really hilarious sometimes, the leaders in Poland don't give a fuck about those "international obligations" because those agreements are NOT enforceable, that doesn't make them worth the paper they're written on. 

When Germany started deporting "refugees", they also don't give a shit about those "international obligations", are you going to tell Germany they can't do it?