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elax420 said:

I don't get the nationalism is obsolete shit either.



Not that I disagree (nationalism is fucking retarded), but the USA is the world hegemon and we are insanely nationalistic.


Merkel has been president for like 16 years so ild say she's done fairly well.


Trump has already lost this election and there hasn't even been a debate yet. Hillary is the weakest canidate in years too.

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Merkel was doing well until she let millions of third world leeches into Germany without any discussion, debate or vote.

"Trump has already lost"

He's down a whole 2 points in the polls, that's basically a dead even race.

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You're looking at weird polls if you think Trump is down by 2%.  Try looking at professional polls like Gallup and Harris. This election is over and it was over before it started. Bernie was the only one who put up a serious fight, he had grassroots support but no organization, and you can't win without organization. Trump has no chance of winning because his own party doesn't want him to win, and his grassroots support is mainly limited to white men (mostly older). This is why the GOP, unless they completely change the Party, will never win another Presidential election. They can keep the House because they can gerrymander the districts. But that's it. We've all had a chance to see what your Party can do, and no body wants to see it again. This country will elect a corrupt woman by an 8-10% margin over an insane idiot. As far as you 3rd party supporters, it could happen eventually (I'll probably be dead by then). In my lifetime the 3rd parties have only been spoilers; never had any real impact beyond that. And until their Parties grow they have no chance. Electoral democracy requires billions of dollars to win. Being an internet darling isn't going to do it. Maybe I'm wrong about the internet, and I don't know how it's going to change,  but right now people want to watch their movies (and other things on their gigantic TVs not on their little laptop screens, except kids.
    One thing I know for a fact, the American electorate becomes 2% less white every 4 years, so how can the Republicans possibly win unless they stop being the Republicans.

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Bubbles85 said:

The Reich were defeated bt the left? The British Government that lead the role in the defeat of the Nazis was a Conservative government lead by Sir Winston Churchill!

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akira_akuma said:

i always find it funny when people drag the actions of histories lost and found bin into current and contemporary society as if it weren't just purely academic, and simply an exercise in attributing people's attitudes of the past with the current attitudes in the current zeitgeist.

as if things can't change. well they can. a sort of formless change, but nevertheless....
the world might be attributable to the past, it's history...but individual people, unless they were alive then, no, you can't...because they weren't there, it wasn't their actions, it wasn't their minds that set the course of history then; all they can do is change the course of history now. so it's pointless to try and tackle the past. it's only relevant to try and tackle the present. not to sound too new agey or anything like that. i'm speaking strictly rhetorically here. conservatism is a losing game. because what there is to conserve is naturally given to change...even the Americas, their forefathers, suspected this would happen, knew this would happen, so even there too...liberalism, when it has been on "the wrong side of history", as that oh so current phrase puts it, it's been due to error and corruption, both of which have nothing to do with liberalism and the philosophy of liberalism. period. most of the retarded shit in the world has been due to people trying to maintain a traditional status quo of control, dominance, superiority, law, punishment, and war. liberalism is new. conservatism is as old as any of the oldest rhetoric from the Bible.

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Brian Jones said:

You're looking at weird polls if you think Trump is down by 2%.  Try looking at professional polls like Gallup and Harris.

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Trump leads by 1 in several polls now.  So much for your 'Its over' theory.

Blacks are deserting Hillary and Trumps army is at the gates. Get on your knees for President Trump loser.

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none of that is the failures of liberalism. it's the failure of government. you can't spin just bullshit retardedness, sorry, but you'll be held accountable for what you say. like i said, as it went swiftly over your head, the left and right meet in the middle.

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No, the freedom of the movement of people is a LIBERAL idea, borders, citizenship, and national sovereignty are conservative. 

You see, one's person "freedom" is another person's oppression in many cases, but you're too caught up in "liberalism" bringing freedom to the world.

qman said:

elax420 said:

If capitalism is so great explain Somalia. Merkel is pretty fucking far from a communist btw.

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He can't stay on topic because he doesn't know anything about the subject matter being discussed.

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Sadly true; neither can akira_akuma, who can't cope with his exalted
liberalism having failed its grand experiment of multiculturalism.
The delusion runs deep with this thread seeing radical leftie shills
cry "no borders" as the answer to all.

I expect as the EU experiment implodes (and it surly will) they'll
turn around and place the blame on the ones they already call bigots,
racists and xenophobes - they did with BREXIT.

All up it's absurd that citizens of a country are branded such feeble
labels for simply wanting to protect their dearest and way of life.

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Your latest posts have been championing liberalism which believes in liberty and freedom, which translates into free movement and open borders with free welfare, and by extension freedom for interlopers to do as one pleases

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hence all the criminal behaivour from third world Muslim males. In fact you were clearly upset I proved the vast majority were third world Muslim males.

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You're not the only liberal to be angry and claiming I'm demonising them.

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The no borders pitch was from both airclay who thinks of himself as an anarchist, and The Ecstatic a self confessed communist. I'm sure Tipote will chime in here again with his SJW views on borders not working so lets not have them. Such a circus of failed views.

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hostileuniverse says: "The idea that the federal govt needs to be in every fucking aspect of our lives is ridiculous, they don't need to control our local school boards, zoning laws or local police or fire. The assumption they should, or even can control these issues with efficiency is nonsense"

i say: The assumption that the people can control these issues, of police and emergency services, education, zoning laws, better, without a government (which is the people, by the by) -- that's ridiculous; the government doesn't need to be in every part of our lives, but to think they aren't needed in some parts is absurd. so is having no borders.

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so is having no borders.
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no no no, i'm not a liberal. i am a libertarian. liberal's got too much stink on it right now. hopefully, that'll change.

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