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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
qman said:
elax420 said:
I don't get the nationalism is obsolete shit either.



Not that I disagree (nationalism is fucking retarded), but the USA is the world hegemon and we are insanely nationalistic.


Merkel has been president for like 16 years so ild say she's done fairly well.


Trump has already lost this election and there hasn't even been a debate yet. Hillary is the weakest canidate in years too.



Merkel was doing well until she let millions of third world leeches into Germany without any discussion, debate or vote.

"Trump has already lost"

He's down a whole 2 points in the polls, that's basically a dead even race.



You're looking at weird polls if you think Trump is down by 2%.  Try looking at professional polls like Gallup and Harris. This election is over and it was over before it started. Bernie was the only one who put up a serious fight, he had grassroots support but no organization, and you can't win without organization. Trump has no chance of winning because his own party doesn't want him to win, and his grassroots support is mainly limited to white men (mostly older). This is why the GOP, unless they completely change the Party, will never win another Presidential election. They can keep the House because they can gerrymander the districts. But that's it. We've all had a chance to see what your Party can do, and no body wants to see it again. This country will elect a corrupt woman by an 8-10% margin over an insane idiot. As far as you 3rd party supporters, it could happen eventually (I'll probably be dead by then). In my lifetime the 3rd parties have only been spoilers; never had any real impact beyond that. And until their Parties grow they have no chance. Electoral democracy requires billions of dollars to win. Being an internet darling isn't going to do it. Maybe I'm wrong about the internet, and I don't know how it's going to change,  but right now people want to watch their movies (and other things on their gigantic TVs not on their little laptop screens, except kids.
    One thing I know for a fact, the American electorate becomes 2% less white every 4 years, so how can the Republicans possibly win unless they stop being the Republicans.



"to see what your party can do"

What's this "your party"?  I'm NOT a Republican, I support Trump, big difference.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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http://sputniknews.com/news/20160904/1044960236/germany-migrant-crisis-merkel-greece.html

"Germany has begun contemplating the idea of sending migrants beck to Greece as Chancellor Angela Merkel's national popularity plummets from public outcry against her open door policy...the German government may need to unload hundreds of thousands in order to maintain control in Berlin"

It looks like deporting these migrants out of Germany is becoming a new reality, it's better than the alternative.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 2
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Bubbles85 said:
The Reich were defeated bt the left? The British Government that lead the role in the defeat of the Nazis was a Conservative government lead by Sir Winston Churchill!



The USSR made it to Berlin first. And spent years longer at war with the Nazis.

But yeah, go ahead and give credit to the British who were almost wiped out entirely, or the US for stepping in towards the end when Russia had already began advancing west.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Please don't disrupt Bubbles' illusions about the greatness of the our Empire.

Didn't you hear? we also won the olympics.



we are great, so unbelievably great, greater than great. We R the best at being the bestest. fact.


ps: sorry about delay in palestine post. its coming, i promise.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 1
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Lmfao. Whole lot of butt hurt up in here, about the fact that a conservative government lead the way against the Reich in the Second World War .... But but but the Soviets :lol:

The British conservatives spent two years at war with the Nazis before the USSR dragged their asses out of bed. They lead the way for all involved against Hitler.
I never claimed victory by any one side. It was a combined effort. Despite the lefty calls up in here that the allies didnt do shit because they were conservative hahahaha .... They were the first to stand up!

Oh and Tip, maybe you'd be more comfortable on the continent under the control of the Brussels elite you never voted for  :wave:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 2
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i always find it funny when people drag the actions of histories lost and found bin into current and contemporary society as if it weren't just purely academic, and simply an exercise in attributing people's attitudes of the past with the current attitudes in the current zeitgeist.

as if things can't change. well they can. a sort of formless change, but nevertheless....
the world might be attributable to the past, it's history...but individual people, unless they were alive then, no, you can't...because they weren't there, it wasn't their actions, it wasn't their minds that set the course of history then; all they can do is change the course of history now. so it's pointless to try and tackle the past. it's only relevant to try and tackle the present. not to sound too new agey or anything like that. i'm speaking strictly rhetorically here. conservatism is a losing game. because what there is to conserve is naturally given to change...even the Americas, their forefathers, suspected this would happen, knew this would happen, so even there too...liberalism, when it has been on "the wrong side of history", as that oh so current phrase puts it, it's been due to error and corruption, both of which have nothing to do with liberalism and the philosophy of liberalism. period. most of the retarded shit in the world has been due to people trying to maintain a traditional status quo of control, dominance, superiority, law, punishment, and war. liberalism is newness (figuratively speaking). conservatism is oldness, as any of the oldest rhetoric from the Bible.

Edited by akira_akuma (09/05/16 08:48 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
i always find it funny when people drag the actions of histories lost and found bin into current and contemporary society as if it weren't just purely academic, and simply an exercise in attributing people's attitudes of the past with the current attitudes in the current zeitgeist.

as if things can't change. well they can. a sort of formless change, but nevertheless....
the world might be attributable to the past, it's history...but individual people, unless they were alive then, no, you can't...because they weren't there, it wasn't their actions, it wasn't their minds that set the course of history then; all they can do is change the course of history now. so it's pointless to try and tackle the past. it's only relevant to try and tackle the present. not to sound too new agey or anything like that. i'm speaking strictly rhetorically here. conservatism is a losing game. because what there is to conserve is naturally given to change...even the Americas, their forefathers, suspected this would happen, knew this would happen, so even there too...liberalism, when it has been on "the wrong side of history", as that oh so current phrase puts it, it's been due to error and corruption, both of which have nothing to do with liberalism and the philosophy of liberalism. period. most of the retarded shit in the world has been due to people trying to maintain a traditional status quo of control, dominance, superiority, law, punishment, and war. liberalism is new. conservatism is as old as any of the oldest rhetoric from the Bible.



"liberalism is new"

That's what most liberals think as well, but it's as old as conservatism.

"most of the retarded shit in the world has been due to people trying to maintain the traditional status quo"

Or making a radical change that threatens the survival of the group. It works both ways, for someone that claims to be open minded, you sure are biased in your analysis of various ideologies.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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you can't speak for both sides at once, not at this point in time. :shrug: people would less understand that. but i can tell you one thing, they both compliment each other. for someone making claims of their intelligence (by making claims about other's) you do seem to be biased in that regard, expecting me to pit two mutually compatible ideologies against one another, as if they are opposing forces. they are not. they meet in the middle.

(PS: i meant new figuratively, as in 'new, innovation, change', as opposed to 'status quo, sameness, homogeneity'.)

i am speaking now against the radical change that threatens the survival of YOUR group, because, trust me, said group will not overpower the prevailing forces of the world at large. the world is mostly skewing to liberalism for one reason, and one reason only...it's more free. in most the world over, it's the "freedom option". yeah, the west practically invented it, in it's modern form (even though it's basic premise has been around for many centuries under the auspices of religion -- but, as you can see here, they both connect), and it's great. the old is dying, and with it, the most extreme and/or duped on the right basically become nethanderthalic, similarly to say on the left with the SJWs and feminazis, they become enraged.

don't you see, the alt-left exists too, it's in the form of SJWs and the like. they want to 'break away' as it were. both sides have their fair share of idiots right now, promoting idiot things, and dupes will fall for it, i suppose.

but they both share the same mirror identity within each ideology's center, i can assure you that. the right wants to maintain, the left wants to change, but to change, you need maintenance, and to maintain, you need to change the parts out every now and then and innovate.

Edited by akira_akuma (09/05/16 08:46 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
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Brian Jones said:
You're looking at weird polls if you think Trump is down by 2%.  Try looking at professional polls like Gallup and Harris.




Trump leads by 1 in several polls now.  So much for your 'Its over' theory.

Blacks are deserting Hillary and Trumps army is at the gates. Get on your knees for President Trump loser. :highfive:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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"the world is mostly skewing to liberalism for one reason, it's more free"

Is it?  It's a form of freedom to have one's homeland invaded by third world leeches that the native population has to support through taxation?  No it's NOT.

It's a form of freedom to have your native women sexual assaulted and raped by invaders into your homeland?  And then having to send them to classes so they don't attack random women on the street?

It's a form of freedom to have people dictate policy for your homeland that don't even live in your nation? 

Liberalism is now showing it's failures for the whole world to see, the EU is in big trouble with the Brexit, the EU is in big trouble with Merkel going down bigtime. Trump's massive support is also showing the world that people are NOT sold on this "liberalism" by any means.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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none of that is the failures of liberalism. it's the failure of government. you can't spin just bullshit retardedness, sorry, but you'll be held accountable for what you say. like i said, as it went swiftly over your head, the left and right meet in the middle.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
none of that is the failures of liberalism. it's the failure of government. you can't spin just bullshit retardedness, sorry, but you'll be held accountable for what you say. like i said, as it went swiftly over your head, the left and right meet in the middle.



No, the freedom of the movement of people is a LIBERAL idea, borders, citizenship, and national sovereignty are conservative. 

You see, one's person "freedom" is another person's oppression in many cases, but you're too caught up in "liberalism" bringing freedom to the world. :facepalm:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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once again, how many times can it be said and the words simply can't be apprehended by your vision? the left and the right meet (and are meet) in the middle. what word in this sentence do you not understand?

to have freedom of movement, you need borders, citizenship and national sovereignty. :shrug: stop mulling over pointless rhetoric.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
elax420 said:
If capitalism is so great explain Somalia. Merkel is pretty fucking far from a communist btw.



He can't stay on topic because he doesn't know anything about the subject matter being discussed. :shrug:



Sadly true; neither can akira_akuma, who can't cope with his exalted
liberalism having failed its grand experiment of multiculturalism.
The delusion runs deep with this thread seeing radical leftie shills
cry "no borders" as the answer to all.

I expect as the EU experiment implodes (and it surly will) they'll
turn around and place the blame on the ones they already call bigots,
racists and xenophobes - they did with BREXIT.

All up it's absurd that citizens of a country are branded such feeble
labels for simply wanting to protect their dearest and way of life.



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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter] * 1
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sure, yeah, single me out, even though i'm not even vouching for multiculturalism. :shrug: i've been clear, throughout this thread on my stance on multiculturalism, and the difference between the failure of multiculturalism, compared to multi-racial society. you act like i was here during the movement...i wasn't. i am not part of any movement. i am just starting out in even being vested in politics, and i have since, oh, last year, or since the year before, really, just since then, been figuring out where i stand on all these issues.

Starter, you just A: haven't clearly read those positions, and B: clearly haven't read my last posts which clearly do not indicate any love for the policies in play right now.

you can be ignorant though, as you wish; i don't mind putting either/or kind of advocate in their place. i mean, you are clearly blind as fuck to say that support "no borders" since i said clearly that "no borders" is absurd, not only before, earlier, but literally just at the top of this page.

:facepalm: you fucking fail, Starter.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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Your latest posts have been championing liberalism which believes in liberty and freedom, which translates into free movement and open borders with free welfare, and by extension freedom for interlopers to do as one pleases - hence all the criminal behaivour from third world Muslim males. In fact you were clearly upset I proved the vast majority were third world Muslim males.

You're not the only liberal to be angry and claiming I'm demonising them. The irony is the freedom given to such ne'er-do-wells by support from people like yourself is at the expense of the actual tax paying citizens who have seen their way of life wiped out in the name of tolerance. Now I've called you on this so no sulking.

The no borders pitch was from both airclay who thinks of himself as an anarchist, and The Ecstatic a self confessed communist. I'm sure Tipote will chime in here again with his SJW views on borders not working so lets not have them. Such a circus of failed views.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter]
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Your latest posts have been championing liberalism which believes in liberty and freedom, which translates into free movement and open borders with free welfare, and by extension freedom for interlopers to do as one pleases



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what a bloated heap of crap. liberalism is about liberty, freedom, yeah, but it's not about, nor translates into "free movement" and open borders, and free welfare. wtf does free welfare even mean? people pay into welfare subsidies to help people in need, it's similar to how people pay into a fund to retire, only this isn't personal, this is to fund programs that literally help only the most 'in need' people, and i agree that it's sometimes a problem, when it is abused; sort of like when loans are abused.

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hence all the criminal behaivour from third world Muslim males. In fact you were clearly upset I proved the vast majority were third world Muslim males.



you might think that explains their behavior, true, i mean, these people you speak of are, in fact, criminals, for the most part. they shouldn't be allowed to come in anywhere. if the right were handling this, it wouldn't have been handled much better, i'm sure. there would have been new, and perhaps different problems.

and i'm not upset, what? lol; at this point all i can do is laugh. i've stated so many times, i don't even care. lol, what did you prove, that they are males doing the ... ahaha, dude, males commit uuhhh most of the crimes in this planet, you didn't quite upset me; in fact, i agreed with you - that it was mostly "criminally minded" (i think was my exact quote) "young muslim males". you didn't prove anything, nor upset me. i already knew this, LOL. wow, ZING.

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You're not the only liberal to be angry and claiming I'm demonising them.



no no no, i'm not a liberal. i am a libertarian. liberal's got too much stink on it right now. hopefully, that'll change.

and also, again, angry...lol, that's funny. it's like you don't even know what you're talking about, or remember anything i've posted of late. you're not telling me anything i don't already know and well recognized and have discerned. i seriously doubt you've thought at all about anything i've said, and thing is, i'm not even necessarily discouraging you, not entirely. just your endless pursuit to label, and berate, and then ignobly reduce people to garbage, lacking any nuance and subtlety, refuse to admit that you're just plain wrong about liberalism stands for (like George Bush and his ethos stands for the Republican ethos, right? ... right? no, wrong, wrong) -- among other things, like the fact that you act dense as hell addressing nuance involving your contrived arguments.

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The no borders pitch was from both airclay who thinks of himself as an anarchist, and The Ecstatic a self confessed communist. I'm sure Tipote will chime in here again with his SJW views on borders not working so lets not have them. Such a circus of failed views.



yeah, let me go fetch the quote where i say no borders is asinine, so you can shut the fuck up already.

here
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23527734#23527734

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hostileuniverse says: "The idea that the federal govt needs to be in every fucking aspect of our lives is ridiculous, they don't need to control our local school boards, zoning laws or local police or fire. The assumption they should, or even can control these issues with efficiency is nonsense"

i say: The assumption that the people can control these issues, of police and emergency services, education, zoning laws, better, without a government (which is the people, by the by) -- that's ridiculous; the government doesn't need to be in every part of our lives, but to think they aren't needed in some parts is absurd. so is having no borders.




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so is having no borders.
is absurd





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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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I have to say akira that was one hilarious, animated and entertaining rant. You get an apology.

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no no no, i'm not a liberal. i am a libertarian. liberal's got too much stink on it right now. hopefully, that'll change.



But I have to ask, why are you hoping that will change? It's broken.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter]
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maybe it's broken, but i doubt it. but if it is, then that's what i hope will change.

conservatism in the western world should only aim to conserve one thing, and that's true liberalism. not any of this far-left namby-pamby safe space white devil feminazi bullshit, but true liberalism.

the rest can be panned out after that. the economy, the government/state, the hierarchy, ect. i'd opt for whatever gives the most freedom to those living in a free society.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/707606/EU-president-Donald-Tusk-begs-G20-for-cash-to-tackle-migrant-crisis-they-created

"EU president Donald Tusk has asked G20 leaders for money to bail the failing administration out of its migrant and terror crisis."

Well this is very interesting, EU bureaucrats are now begging for money from the rest of the world, I was told flooding the EU with unskilled/uneducated third world leeches would bring economic prosperity for everyone, what happened?  :huxleyfacepalm:

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