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Re: Justice [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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ChristopherABrown said:
Justice is how unalienable rights are protected by government.  If government will not protect them, then the people must enforce the law through their right to alter or abolish.

Philosophically, justice is the social expression of love.


When you walk, if you go too far to the right, you steer to the right,
when you drive a car, if you go to far to the right, your unconscious mind causes your hands to make micro movements, taking the car slightly to the left, etc., constantly ... likewise small groups of people and families dynamically balance conflicting tendencies  within the group, almost unconsciously, automatically; you can call this justice or love or whatever, but such labeling seems rather anthropomorphic, as the same process occurs in some other animal communities, does it not?

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ChristopherABrown said:

Justice is how unalienable rights are protected by government.



The concept of "unalienable rights" is like the idea "all men are created equal"

The words sound nice and cozy, but they're a bit of a fantasy based ideal.

Sometimes government supports the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Capital punishment is clearly pure retaliation.   

That government should uphold our "pursuit of happiness" is humorous to me    :laugh:

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Re: Justice [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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ChristopherABrown said:

Justice is how unalienable rights are protected by government.



The concept of "unalienable rights" is like the idea "all men are created equal"

The words sound nice and cozy, but they're a bit of a fantasy based ideal.

Sometimes government supports the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Capital punishment is clearly pure retaliation.   

That government should uphold our "pursuit of happiness" is humorous to me    :laugh:


They are ideals that are defined and if people are deprived of them, strife develops.  It is human nature, that's all.  But we cannot give up on the ideals, 'cause then things can go further down the tube.

Acknowledging and agreeing upon the ideal by the masses brings power to the ideals to enforce them.  If we do nothing, we get nothing.


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You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want.

People that do not want what they need, have a problem.

Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?

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Re: Justice [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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Ideals cultivate dissatisfaction, as reality never matches our ideals.

Ever been to a Rolling Stones concert with 100,000 people shouting, "I CAN'T get NO satisfaction!!!"?

Abandoning our ideals is not about being passive or not enforcing laws.

It's about waking up from our fantasy of wishing life was different.

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Re: Justice [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
Ideals cultivate dissatisfaction, as reality never matches our ideals.

Ever been to a Rolling Stones concert with 100,000 people shouting, "I CAN'T get NO satisfaction!!!"?

Abandoning our ideals is not about being passive or not enforcing laws.

It's about waking up from our fantasy of wishing life was different.



Generally I agree, but point out that the ideals of the framing documents and constitution were not created by us, they were created for us by predecessors that made life different for us by a great expenditure of effort.

There is a tremendous effort put out by tyrants now to prevent us from unifying around effective legal and peaceful means of securing our rights and freedoms.

See and sign a petition that goes to the heart of creating our power as Lincoln described it, "the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the court".

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/declarator-declare-constitutional-intent

This page has a complete but summarized legal, due process for using the declarations of the petition.

http://algoxy.com/law/lawfulpeacefulrevolution.html

Edited by ChristopherABrown (07/24/16 10:55 AM)

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