Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

The fact that illegals cause harm to the US working class is a proven fact, it's also a fact that they cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars. Again, please explain how that's irrational fear?

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Hundreds of billions now?  You recently claimed $25 billion, and that was debunked.

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Nothing was debunked, http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers - "Illegal immigration costs US taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state, and local level.
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Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

What do you think "illegal immigration costs US taxpayers about $113 billion" means?

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First of all, I was responding to your claim that "it's a fact that they (illegals) cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars", not the claim of a (debunked) article you posted later.

Second, you said I have a reading comprehension problem for not reading an article you posted AFTER I had already debunked your claim (see the discussion above).

Third, your claim of "hundreds of billions of dollars" is FAR short of the $113 billion your article claims.

Fourth, the $113 billion was debunked; the actual number is much closer to 10% of that.

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qman said:

Another argument based on semantics, anchor babies are the result of illegal immigration, therefore they need to be included in the calculations when assessing the costs associated with illegal immigration.

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qman said:

Why are you so disingenuous on this subject matter?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Another argument based on semantics, anchor babies are the result of illegal immigration, therefore they need to be included in the calculations when assessing the costs associated with illegal immigration.

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And how much of the costs you showed are attributable to anchor babies??? (I'll tell you at the end of this post)

First, as Fact Check has shown, your link includes the costs for ALL immigrants, not just illegal immigrants.

Second, and much more important, it's very disingenuous to attribute those costs to illegal immigrants, since illegal immigrants aren't eligible for welfare.

Finally, do you how much of the immigrant costs you've shown are attributable to anchor babies?  ZERO, because anchor babies aren't immigrants!

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"since illegal immigrants aren't eligible for welfare"

When they pop out a baby they are eligible, they know they game quite well. Either way, illegals use of health care, education, and criminal justice expenses use up much of their total costs.

"anchor babies aren't immigrants"

Yet, they're the result of illegal immigration.

qman said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36469264

"EU to boost African aid to stem influx...EU Migration Commission said project funding could eventually reach E62 billion.

The migrants "main countries of origin are: Nigeria (15%), Gambia (10%), Somalia (9%), Ivory Coast, Eritrea, Guinea (8% each), and Senegal, the UN refugee agency UNHCR reports"

Looks like the EU has to bribe African governments to keep their people from flooding into their homelands.

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What happened to this was just Syrians seeking refuge from war in their country argument? 

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Tipote said:

qman said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36469264

"EU to boost African aid to stem influx...EU Migration Commission said project funding could eventually reach E62 billion.

The migrants "main countries of origin are: Nigeria (15%), Gambia (10%), Somalia (9%), Ivory Coast, Eritrea, Guinea (8% each), and Senegal, the UN refugee agency UNHCR reports"

Looks like the EU has to bribe African governments to keep their people from flooding into their homelands.

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well they learn well from turkey. its a reminder that it is in our interests for other countries to be peaceful. neoliberalism and the destruction this ideology has caused in the world has led to these consequences.

you have said it yourself that we should help more in those countries needing it so they don't have to come. but now you don't like that idea?

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What happened to this was just Syrians seeking refuge from war in their country argument? 

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I don't think that was ever the argument. But it was the events in iraq and syria that caused this momentum.

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qman said:

"but now you don't like that idea?"

No I do like the idea, but just find it ironic that many people like yourself said the flow can't be stopped, yet these governments know they can stop it if the price is right.

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I've said that there are many ways we can significantly reduce the pull factors. This policy is an attempt at that.

100% securitisation is a myth. Either we understand the processes and mechanisms involved in these influxes or we fail to manage it.

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"the events in iraq and syria that caused this momentum"

You mean when third world people found out the EU had a open door policy, that's what caused "this momentum".

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qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

And how much of the costs you showed are attributable to anchor babies??? (I'll tell you at the end of this post)

First, as Fact Check has shown, your link includes the costs for ALL immigrants, not just illegal immigrants.

Second, and much more important, it's very disingenuous to attribute those costs to illegal immigrants, since illegal immigrants aren't eligible for welfare.

Finally, do you how much of the immigrant costs you've shown are attributable to anchor babies?  ZERO, because anchor babies aren't immigrants!

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"since illegal immigrants aren't eligible for welfare"

When they pop out a baby they are eligible, they know they game quite well. Either way, illegals use of health care, education, and criminal justice expenses use up much of their total costs.

"anchor babies aren't immigrants"

Yet, they're the result of illegal immigration.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Why do you consider it a crisis if people are put to work?  Because their skin is too dark?

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The vast majority are never going to work and the one's that do with get some under the table low wage shit work.

Who's going to support the family members they potentially bring over?  The insolvent governments of the EU? 

It's a massive crisis and they all need to be deported so EU citizens can have their homelands back, why create more of a crisis?

qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Why do you consider it a crisis if people are put to work?  Because their skin is too dark?

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The vast majority are never going to work

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Why do you consider it a crisis if people are put to work?  Because their skin is too dark?

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The vast majority are never going to work

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The whole point of your article was to give green cards to people that come to the EU to work.

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They could give them tickets to travel to Mars, that doesn't mean there's a spaceship ready to get them there.