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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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actually it's a joke in the form of an advert parody. lots of things are propaganda. alot of what Trump constantly spews is propaganda.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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Malkuthian said:
You hear something about a Muslim, and you think "huh, this is description of Muslims". (and you believe it)
You hear something about a white guy, and you think "huh, this is description of white people". (and you think it's retarded to claim all white people are the same).



Well said.  :toast:


qman said:
"creating an opponent"

You mean like the video did?  ALL the white people in the video were portrayed as bigots, ALL the Muslims in the video were portrayed as victims.

This is called propaganda and anyone with a ten cent brain can figure that one out, Tip should be thoroughly embarrassed to post such a biased script, but somehow I know he isn't.



No, you completely missed Malkuthian's point.  The video showed only a few white people and only a few muslim people.  Nowhere did it claim that's how ALL whites and muslims behave.  Yet you post videos showing a few bad apples and try to get people to believe that's how "millions" of muslim immigrants behave.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
ALL the white people in the video were portrayed as bigots



Distorted perspective...

Actually the video shows only white bigots.
No one ever claimed, insinuated or thought of the idea that these bigots would represent white people.
Except you...

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
qman said:
ALL the white people in the video were portrayed as bigots



Distorted perspective...

Actually the video shows only white bigots.
No one ever claimed, insinuated or thought of the idea that these bigots would represent white people.
Except you...



Oh really, it's a purely a coincidence that all the bigots in the video were white, how come no blacks, Asians, Hispanics, or Muslims were portrayed as bigots? :popcorn:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
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That whites are over represented in a joke-video regarding hate towards Muslims does not mean someone thinks all whites are racists and is trying to portray that fact in the video.

You are turning it into something that suits your agenda instead of viewing it for what it is.
Straw man warfare with a complete lack of self awareness, as usual.
You are seeing what you perceive as patterns everywhere you look, regardless of their actual existence. "seek and you shall find". This is a behavior we all suffer from, on different levels, and we all need to be aware that we are doing this, otherwise we will stay narrow minded and without the ability to comprehend other perspectives than the ones we are already stuck in.

A basic concept everyone should be aware of is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

Furthermore I would suggest everyone, on all sides etc. etc. to read:
"Thinking, fast and slow", by Daniel Kahneman , which gives a lot of insight regarding this and other vital topics regarding how the human mind works.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Cut the psychoanalysis nonsense, the video was clear cut and I am "viewing it for what it is", bigotry towards white people.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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Yea, it's nonsense, just like everything else that doesn't fit your perfect little phantasmagoria of a world view.

The video was mocking unjustified hatred of Muslims.
I think the point they where trying to make is valid regardless of if it's a white or a black person hating Muslims...

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
Yea, it's nonsense, just like everything else that doesn't fit your perfect little phantasmagoria of a world view.

The video was mocking unjustified hatred of Muslims.
I think the point they where trying to make is valid regardless of if it's a white or a black person hating Muslims...



"I think the point they where trying to make is valid"

I agree, there was some validity in the video, but it was also biased in it's presentation.

Let's be honest for one moment, whites are punching bags in today's world of political correctness, nobody is going to make a video also showing the bigotry on the other side of the fence.

Can whites be bigots?  Yes.  Can whites also suffer from bigotry?  Yes.  The point is, that video had an agenda and ignoring that reality makes one disingenuous when trying to have a open and honest discussion.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian] * 1
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If only qman were able to spot discrimination/prejudice against non-whites as well as he spots any imaginary grain of prejudice against whites. :lol:

Thats not to say that there isn't discrimination against whites, but only qman will see it even in places it is not present.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
If only qman were able to spot discrimination/prejudice against non-whites as well as he spots any imaginary grain of prejudice against whites. :lol:

Thats not to say that there isn't discrimination against whites, but only qman will see it even in places it is not present.



I said that there was a degree of validity in that video, I never said there wasn't bigotry against non-whites.  That fact doesn't make that video any less disingenuous.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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Prejudiced views exist in all cultures and amongst all races. The point qman is making, which is more than valid, is that in today's society (particularly the West) prejudice from any side, other than a person with white skin, is just brushed off and ignored. 

For instance, when a group of white British natives protest in the UK against radical Islam, that group will all most certainly, 100% of the time, be met with resistance from opposition groups who believe they're racist.

However, when a group of radical Muslims do exactly the same thing, the protest is ignored by the groups that would clash with the native population and brushed off like its not happening.

Why is that? They're doing exactly the same thing the native population were considered to be doing.

Its hipocracy at its finest and clear evidence that points the finger soley in the direct of the white population, as the only group who may be considered racist, intolerant or prejudice, when that is far from the truth.

This is also partly the reason we see things taking the political directions they are today.

Edited by Bubbles85 (05/26/16 05:35 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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qman said:
Cut the psychoanalysis nonsense, the video was clear cut and I am "viewing it for what it is", bigotry towards white people.



It's interesting that most white people, such as myself, view the video as bigotry towards bigots.  But you view it as bigotry towards white people, since you are the target of the video.

Bubbles85 said:
when a group of white British natives protest in the UK against radical Islam, that group will all most certainly, 100% of the time, be met with resistance from opposition groups who believe they're racist.

However, when a group of radical Muslims do exactly the same thing, the protest is ignored by the groups that would clash with the native population and brushed off like its not happening.



Huh???  If Muslims protested against white people, I certainly wouldn't tolerate that.  But if they protested against bigotry, then I'd support them, while all the bigots will scratch their heads and wonder why they are targeting white people.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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These things go in cycles.

Europe reached its peak about 200 years ago and since then has gone into decline.

When a civilisation goes into decline it becomes fashionable to commit suicide (see: Rome).

What you're seeing in Europe cannot be understood unless you understand this cycle. It is fashionable to commit suicide right now, and so the cool people will advocate for the destruction of their country and people.

It has to be understood as a fashion statement, first and foremost.


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"They consider me insane but I know that I am a hero living under the eyes of the gods."

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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I assume that was a joke, right?

Or do you truly believe large numbers of people advocate the destruction of their country because it's cool and fashionable?  :wtf:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Dude, large numbers of Europeans are, right now, advocating the destruction of their culture because it's fashionable.

How did the Roman Empire fall? Barbarians came across the borders, in YUUUGE numbers, and the Romans were too decadent to do anything about it.

Look at Europe nowadays. Guys like Malkuthian don't care that their own women can't walk the streets of Malmo or that his country is now known as the "Rape Capital of the West". The important thing is to win arguments on the Shroomery.

Those of us in the New World like Kiwis and Americans ought to watch closely because it will happen to us next.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 1
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LOL

the Canadian hordes are coming, US. beware.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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Meh, Christianity gained in popularity and brought Rome into the dark ages.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Bubbles85 said:
For instance, when a group of white British natives protest in the UK against radical Islam, that group will all most certainly, 100% of the time, be met with resistance from opposition groups who believe they're racist.




What groups are we talking about here? EDL? BNP? Britain First? Pediga?

:lol:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Bubbles85 said:
when a group of white British natives protest in the UK against radical Islam, that group will all most certainly, 100% of the time, be met with resistance from opposition groups who believe they're racist.

However, when a group of radical Muslims do exactly the same thing, the protest is ignored by the groups that would clash with the native population and brushed off like its not happening.



Huh???  If Muslims protested against white people, I certainly wouldn't tolerate that.  But if they protested against bigotry, then I'd support them, while all the bigots will scratch their heads and wonder why they are targeting white people.



My point remains valid. The natives do not take to the streets to protest against radical Muslims skin color.

Just as radical Muslims do not take to the streets to protest against bigotry.

Just like the groups who oppose the native populations protests against radical Islam, you seem to fail to realize that this has nothing to do with skin color, or race.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
Bubbles85 said:
For instance, when a group of white British natives protest in the UK against radical Islam, that group will all most certainly, 100% of the time, be met with resistance from opposition groups who believe they're racist.




What groups are we talking about here? EDL? BNP? Britain First? Pediga?

:lol:



It makes no difference what group it is. It could be a group of old granny's opposing this and they would still be met with opposition.

Some thing that doesn't happen when radical Muslims them selves, take to the streets to preach hate. Again hipocracy and complete idiocy at its finest.

Some thing that you your self demonstrate, is alive and present within the UK, with your complete un-willingness to speak out against them, because they're Muslims.

All we ever hear from you when radical Muslims protest against us and our home country's is "it was a peaceful protest" and "they caused no trouble"

Yet when a group take to the streets in opposition to the above Muslims, you say that it is right that they are met with opposition.
How is that logical? when they're protesting against the very things they are being accused of?

Edited by Bubbles85 (05/27/16 06:02 AM)

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