The Ecstatic said:

Baby boomers need to do the honorable thing and take a one way trip to Jonestown.

Eskimos push their useless members of society on to ice floes and let them die. Hows that for social darwinism?

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when do we get to toss Zappa on an icefloe?

viktor said:

If Germany lets in Muslims now in 2016 these Muslims will be pensioners themselves by 2050.

To say that Germany needs to let them in now because of the need for employment in old folks' homes in 2050 is just madness.

What's going on here? Do you guys really want to see the destruction of Europe?

I don't mind because I know that Asia is where it's at. I'm just a little sad to see Europe dying.

Why do you guys want to see it die? I just don't understand.

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night_shift said:

Also,

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If people think there’s a migration crisis now, they haven’t seen anything.

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From here.

The significant question regarding immigration, as far as I can see, is not "How can we stop it?" but "How can we make it work?"

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Excellent point. I was just watching the chomsky interviews.

The Syrian conflict had a climate change component to it and since our planet is acting far too slowly on this..and nukes are getting easier to use.. we better get used to migrant flows and terrorism. Closing the borders 100% does not get rid of the problems 100%. it even has potential to proliferate this way. all of the republican party think climate change :S

Also another good part from the chomsky interviews..

On Western Support for the Saudis and extremist ideology..

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the basic story is that the United States, like Britain before it, has tended to support radical Islamism against secular nationalism. That’s been a consistent theme of imperial strategy for a long time.

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akira_akuma said:

LOL

the vision of Germany is based on...is based on a social pride that makes it impossible to be liberal on the international stage.

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The Ecstatic said:

Baby boomers need to do the honorable thing and take a one way trip to Jonestown.

Eskimos push their useless members of society on to ice floes and let them die. Hows that for social darwinism?

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Riot police in Paris used water cannons and tear gas to disperse protesters who had hurled rocks and other objects at officers. Truckers blocked roadways and railroad workers joined the strikes.

Here's the big issue — French leaders say they have to make their country's economy more flexible, competitive and productive. To do that, they say they need to end some long-standing worker protections. Legislation that's moving forward would make it easier for employers to hire and fire workers. Truck drivers would also see their overtime pay cut.

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qman said:

"economically everything is pretty great in Sweden"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-sweden-forecast-idUSKCN0SG0I220151022

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"Sweden will make across the board spending cuts and raise borrowing to cope with as many at 190,000 refugees"

"Finance minister...said asylum costs were unsustainable in the longer term"

http://www.savemysweden.com/sweden-sees-costs-of-migration-crisis-almost-quadruple/

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/05/sweden-and-the-cost-of-mass-immigration/

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A decent socialist economy can turn into a insolvent disaster in a short period of time. That's why this is now happening. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/28/sweden-to-expel-up-to-80000-rejected-asylum-seekers

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She added: “It would be better if the government saw refugees as an investment in society’s future, rather than a burden. We have a very good economy, in part because of having many immigrants.”

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akira_akuma said:

The Ecstatic said:

Baby boomers need to do the honorable thing and take a one way trip to Jonestown.

Eskimos push their useless members of society on to ice floes and let them die. Hows that for social darwinism?

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when do we get to toss Zappa on an icefloe?

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night_shift said:

qman said:

Also, anyone will any commonsense would know that if Germany ever did need some more labor, they would use legal immigration of high skilled workers from neighboring countries, not unskilled third world migrants.

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Eh... Just travel from Turkey to Germany a week or so before Ramadan when all the Turks working in Germany head home for the holiday. Don't need to make the whole trip, a part of it is enough, but make sure to take the most popular route and observe the vehicle numbers going from Germany to Turkey. They would use neighbor countries' labour, you say? I am sure they would, if they could. The reality is a bit more complex than this wish and the result is also complex. Part of it is very easy to see, especially on said highways, at said time period.

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night_shift said:

Tipote said:

All this irritation with the migrant crisis for some of you should just reset your priorities to be against the wars that has made this situation a reality. It was neoliberalism, global warming and the global war on terror that got us here.

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Basically, this.

Also,

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If people think there’s a migration crisis now, they haven’t seen anything.

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From here.

The significant question regarding immigration, as far as I can see, is not "How can we stop it?" but "How can we make it work?"

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Tipote said:

viktor said:

If Germany lets in Muslims now in 2016 these Muslims will be pensioners themselves by 2050.

To say that Germany needs to let them in now because of the need for employment in old folks' homes in 2050 is just madness.

What's going on here? Do you guys really want to see the destruction of Europe?

I don't mind because I know that Asia is where it's at. I'm just a little sad to see Europe dying.

Why do you guys want to see it die? I just don't understand.

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They would only be pensioners in 2050 if they were all of the same age..  which they are not. There are a range of ages but the influxes typically have a low age average between them. There are babies, children, teenagers etc.

Also, do you think these people won't have kids if they don't come with kids? There will be a generation of refugee kids born in Europe who will integrate if not assimilate due to growing up knowing only life in a European country.

If Europe is dying, its not because of refugees.  Accepting large numbers of refugees is of course an inconvenience to say the least but is a human obligation in the face of war. Most countries in the region are doing far more than their fair share, others are doing nothing, Europe can share the burden too.

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The Ecstatic said:

I think if we bombarded the east coast for 30 years, and had millions of people flee inland, it wouldnt suddenly bolster the great plains economy.

And the people on the east coast arent illiterate, superstitious goat herders.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"economically everything is pretty great in Sweden"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-sweden-forecast-idUSKCN0SG0I220151022

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Swedens economy is still pretty strong.

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"Sweden will make across the board spending cuts and raise borrowing to cope with as many at 190,000 refugees"

"Finance minister...said asylum costs were unsustainable in the longer term"

http://www.savemysweden.com/sweden-sees-costs-of-migration-crisis-almost-quadruple/

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/05/sweden-and-the-cost-of-mass-immigration/

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Yes i'm sure costs are unsustainable if the same numbers of refugees come consistently. There needs to be global action to stop these wars so people don't have to leave.

Cutting the foreign developmental aid budget seems reasonable to deal with this situation to an extent.

and LOL at your choice of sources. No bias there at all

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A decent socialist economy can turn into a insolvent disaster in a short period of time. That's why this is now happening. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/28/sweden-to-expel-up-to-80000-rejected-asylum-seekers

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Yes Sweden is deporting huge numbers of failed asylum seekers.. like they have always done, and as Germany is doing in huge numbers.
and they are changing some of the rules and investing in the means for those deportations to go smoother and more efficiently, and for those outside the EU to understand its not as easy. These seem like common sense changes to control the situation better. It is not a rejection of accepting refugees.

from your link -

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She added: “It would be better if the government saw refugees as an investment in society’s future, rather than a burden. We have a very good economy, in part because of having many immigrants.”

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obviously this depends on the country and its capabilities..

but this goes back to the argument Malk made about children and refugees. They are both long term investments in people who eventually contribute back into the society.

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