akira_akuma said:

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Do you really think many of their homophobic, sexist (anti-women), and anti-Christian views of the world mix well with the liberal Western culture?

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sounds very similar to another group in the US...oh right, Christians.

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exactly!!

Westbro Baptist Church is to Christians what Daesh is to Muslims..

... ok maybe a slight exaggeration

Bigbadwooof said:

Capitalism is pretty terrible. I believe it was a necessary stepping stone to the innovation and progress we've made in the world. However, like Feudalism, it has past it's expiration date. We must now move past Capitalism, and I'm sure Socialism will not be the end of the road.

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Bubbles85 said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Capitalism is pretty terrible. I believe it was a necessary stepping stone to the innovation and progress we've made in the world. However, like Feudalism, it has past it's expiration date. We must now move past Capitalism, and I'm sure Socialism will not be the end of the road.

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Capitalism is far from perfect, but neither is socialism. I definitely agree, that there's no way the developed world would be so far ahead today, in terms of technology and innovation with out it. It has 100% pushed people with in our society's to strive to achieve.

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Bubbles85 said:

LMFAO at all the idiots in this thread, seeking some kind of totalitarian, communist state so they can perhaps have slightly more than they have now, provided to them by their huge ass, corrupt governments.

The reality is, that every one wants more in life. Some however feel that it is just owed to them for doing fuck all with their lives. Who's the greedy ones again???

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Bubbles85 said:

LMFAO at all the idiots in this thread, seeking some kind of totalitarian, communist state so they can perhaps have slightly more than they have now, provided to them by their huge ass, corrupt governments.

The reality is, that every one wants more in life. Some however feel that it is just owed to them for doing fuck all with their lives. Who's the greedy ones again???

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night_shift said:

qman said:

Tipote said:

the world needs to move beyond nationalism and borders but I dont think we are there yet. We need to be able to make decisions on a global scale as the world is an interconnected place. Sealing our borders and pretending something outside those borders can't hurt us is naive. Why not contribute to a global system where its not zero sum? Where cooperation shows that we have more interest in working together. Why not move away from an economy that says we can dump toxic waste into some countries and treat citizens of one country like slaves while all the jobs and the wealth are in others. The rich countries are like gated communities with the naive idea that you can fuck up the rest of the world and sit back insulated from all that shit.

It should be in the interest of rich countries to genuinely help poorer countries to develop. People won't want to leave their countries to come to yours for jobs if they can just work in their own countries. Elimination of poverty, tackling climate change, universal energy system - all of which will take the sting out of immigration, will help manage global population better and provide clean energy for the planet.

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Maybe you haven't been paying attention, emerging markets/the third world has been out growing the developed economies of the world for the past 35 years. (their share of global GDP went from 30% to over 50% in that time period and is gaining .6% every year)

http://www.thinkadvisor.com/2014/05/09/emerging-markets-dominate-global-gdp?slreturn=1462889377

In fact, one could say the developed world has sold out it's own people to build up the third world, it's called globalization.

I think you have some misconceptions of what is really taking place, humans always help themselves first and others a distant second, that's never going to change. They sellout their own people to enrich themselves.

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Capitalism is incompatible with humanity. It's not humans selling you, although technically humans are signing the deals, agreements, resolutions, etc.; it's financial capital consuming you. Along with your humanity, if you really believe humans are like this.

People need other people, and not just because of what said other people provide, on the contrary - people need other people to love, to give, to care for. People need this. People are generally happy to help their "brother in need". Regardless of what they will get for this, or if they will get anything at all. Genuine help and genuine gratitude tend to come as a pleasant surprise, which makes me suspect humans aren't simply self absorbed bastards.

So the question is who are "the brothers". For me, the answer is simple: everyone who doesn't think or act as if I am an expendable human being. This already means I have people I don't consider "brothers". What do I consider them? Enemies.

So we do have a problem...

My solution is: make less enemies. In other words, make enemies brothers, or at least try to.

This means open borders. If there's nothing to flee from most people won't even try to move. It doesn't need to be illegal - make it legal. But there's a problem. Our beloved god, the financial capital, likes to be free to cross borders because this is a means to provide growth. The main purpose of national borders is not to keep people in certain areas but to determine who collects the taxes, where people can vote, what rights they have and things like these. So our beloved financial capital loves to move when it's profitable, but in order to ensure there are still profitable (read: exploitable) places borders are needed. And, in order to provide the borders, people need to feel divided and different and in some cases even imcompatible. Right.

Capitalism is pure evil.

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Capitalism is pretty terrible. I believe it was a necessary stepping stone to the innovation and progress we've made in the world. However, like Feudalism, it has past it's expiration date. We must now move past Capitalism, and I'm sure Socialism will not be the end of the road.

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Capitalism is far from perfect, but neither is socialism. I definitely agree, that there's no way the developed world would be so far ahead today, in terms of technology and innovation with out it. It has 100% pushed people with in our society's to strive to achieve.

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We haven't really had pure capitalism. Part of the successes of capitalism have come from state management and wealth redistribution. Corporate welfare and tax-payer grants into research and development have contributed to capitalist gains. All the tech we buy probably originated from some of these R&D grants that we paid for in the first place.

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Capitalism is pretty terrible. I believe it was a necessary stepping stone to the innovation and progress we've made in the world. However, like Feudalism, it has past it's expiration date. We must now move past Capitalism, and I'm sure Socialism will not be the end of the road.

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Capitalism is far from perfect, but neither is socialism. I definitely agree, that there's no way the developed world would be so far ahead today, in terms of technology and innovation with out it. It has 100% pushed people with in our society's to strive to achieve.

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We haven't really had pure capitalism. Part of the successes of capitalism have come from state management and wealth redistribution. Corporate welfare and tax-payer grants into research and development have contributed to capitalist gains. All the tech we buy probably originated from some of these R&D grants that we paid for in the first place.

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Plenty of technology is based on free market investment, not grants.

There's plenty of investors losing money on bunk R&D projects.

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at least we are making progress -- socialism isn't necessarily evil incarnate -- good. truth.

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The Ecstatic said:

Bubbles85 said:

LMFAO at all the idiots in this thread, seeking some kind of totalitarian, communist state so they can perhaps have slightly more than they have now, provided to them by their huge ass, corrupt governments.

The reality is, that every one wants more in life. Some however feel that it is just owed to them for doing fuck all with their lives. Who's the greedy ones again???

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Name a single person person in this thread promoting communism, let alone totalitarianism.

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The Ecstatic said:

Something tells me you didnt read that article, since everything except the first two sentences are behind a paywall.


Or you could give me your wsj login and ill take a gander

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