Tipote said:

Bigbadwooof said:

I would say that the article is demonstrative of the fact that yes, Muslims can integrate (of course). Let's not extrapolate too far from there though. When they start forming ghetto's and creating prayer towers in Western societies, I don't consider that integration.

My half brother's dad is from Kuwait. He was a Muslim, and he came to America to study. He used to beat the shit out of my mom, and wouldn't let her out of the house. He was very abusive. His friends were the same way to the women they were with. None of them integrated, and none of them graduated.

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Yes, Muslims integrate, of course! That's not to say there aren't negatives. This is why I say for the most part things are positive. Isolation fuels isolation and that is no good.

Yes, just as we shouldn't extrapolate too much from single cases here and there, just as we can't assume a complete truth from your family experiences. As I'm sure you understand, no one thing is the full story. But i think we can say with confidence for the most part integration works. It is the failures that can be particularly destructive and must be addressed. qman will perhaps say, "why bother? it'll never work". But the global movement of people is just a reality of our world.

It is to an extent the socioeconomic level that dictates the separation, not race or religion. There are many Muslims in the North of England too because the cost of living is cheaper..but there are fewer jobs.

And people from south of the US border want to come to the US partly because US-led trade deals fucked their countries. A similar situation is true in Europe. Qman et al fail to accept the aspect of responsibility involved. That doesn't mean our countries have to accept all foreigners, but that our countries must accept how we fuel the pull factors in the first place and address those underlying issues.

All these points are probably just ones i've/others have repeated before so my apologies if thats the case. This thread!

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Bubbles85 said:

Rise of the horrible left? They may have gained a Muslim mayor in London thanks to the immigrant vote, but on the grand scheme of things nationally, Labour did terribly.

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The Ecstatic said:

Bubbles85 said:

The Ecstatic said:

Would you have opposed the mass immigration of Irish to this country?

Why or why not

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People have every right to oppose any immigration that promotes racial segregation. Mass immigration is the biggest cause of this.

Racial segregation is a huge issue with the Muslim population in Britain, who fight to conserve their religious ideologies, by way of living completely separate lives from the rest of the country.

Many are simply refusing to integrate and mass immigration has allowed that to happen.

This is well documented. With many polls, such as from ICM confirming that fact.

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Why do they have to integrate?

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  Because when they don't integrate they don't get educated, they don't enter the workforce, they commit more crimes, and they become massive financial burdens for the native population.

The Ecstatic said:

zappaisgod said:

viktor said:

So, who thinks World War III (Judeo-Christianity vs. Islam) is going to be the result of this?

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If it actually comes to a war of resolution like the first two were it will be very short.  The muslims are impressively incompetent.

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People are idiots if they think some homogenous Muslim "axis" is an existential threat to the West.

The Muslim world cant even agree with itself, cant shed their antiquated social policies, cant do a bunch of things it would take to topple the West.

The West exploits the Middle East as we exploit Africa and SE Asia, we just dont worry about the blowback because neither Liberia nor Taiwan have nukes, or a legitimate international terror network.

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

zappaisgod said:

viktor said:

So, who thinks World War III (Judeo-Christianity vs. Islam) is going to be the result of this?

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If it actually comes to a war of resolution like the first two were it will be very short.  The muslims are impressively incompetent.

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People are idiots if they think some homogenous Muslim "axis" is an existential threat to the West.

The Muslim world cant even agree with itself, cant shed their antiquated social policies, cant do a bunch of things it would take to topple the West.

The West exploits the Middle East as we exploit Africa and SE Asia, we just dont worry about the blowback because neither Liberia nor Taiwan have nukes, or a legitimate international terror network.

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Any examples of this "exploitation"?  Please something besides this "stealing of natural resources" that are SOLD on the global markets.

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Bubbles85 said:

Malkuthian said:

Bubbles85 said:

The 50% figure is not a lie, it is a fact. I was speaking about specific areas, not London as a whole. The Office for National Statistics has confirmed that certain areas of London are now 50% Muslim.

Yes, i agree, he probably is a good representative of the native population. He is one of the few Muslims prepared to speak out against the majority, who are refusing to integrate and who push their social conservatism.

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And at the same time you spoke about the natives being a minority.

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Yes, because it is a well known fact that the left manipulate the voter base with mass immigration.

Bring in hordes of migrants who depend on the government (the left) to maintain a higher vote percentage and remain in power.

If you think that the native populace being in a minority in the London area to migrants, has had no impact on the out come of a Left wing Muslim politician gaining power, then you're sadly mistaken.

Even those who are not Muslim, but are migrants are more likely to vote for the left. That is a fact.

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so..the left allows immigrants in to promote support for the left? Why have the Conservatives been in power for 2 terms then? Why was Conservative Boris Johnson Mayor for London?

You seem to assume that foreign people are necessarily left wing.

Nobody said that the demographics didn't influence anything, but you were repeatedly saying about some areas being 50% muslim as though that really means anything. London is 12% muslim. London is 45% British, 60% white European. I think you are undervaluing the native voice. There is a lot of support for the left, this has historically been the case in the UK.

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Bubbles85 said:

The Ecstatic said:

Would you have opposed the mass immigration of Irish to this country?

Why or why not

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People have every right to oppose any immigration that promotes racial segregation. Mass immigration is the biggest cause of this.

Racial segregation is a huge issue with the Muslim population in Britain, who fight to conserve their religious ideologies, by way of living completely separate lives from the rest of the country.

Many are simply refusing to integrate and mass immigration has allowed that to happen.

This is well documented. With many polls, such as from ICM confirming that fact.

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Why do they have to integrate?

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  Because when they don't integrate they don't get educated, they don't enter the workforce, they commit more crimes, and they become massive financial burdens for the native population.

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night_shift said:

qman said:

All countries have immigration laws and borders, I can't live in any country of my choosing, either can people in the third world.

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Are you happy about this? That you are free to simply walk but when you approach a national border, your walk is being interrupted? Do you think this is how things should be? Accept the law and move away?

qman said:

No country can handle millions of people flooding into their homelands,

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This is not true.

The fucking stanza of democracy is that the people make the state. Not the other way around.

It seems the system isn't working precisely as it was announced.

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The Ecstatic said:

zappaisgod said:

viktor said:

So, who thinks World War III (Judeo-Christianity vs. Islam) is going to be the result of this?

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If it actually comes to a war of resolution like the first two were it will be very short.  The muslims are impressively incompetent.

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People are idiots if they think some homogenous Muslim "axis" is an existential threat to the West.

The Muslim world cant even agree with itself, cant shed their antiquated social policies, cant do a bunch of things it would take to topple the West.

The West exploits the Middle East as we exploit Africa and SE Asia, we just dont worry about the blowback because neither Liberia nor Taiwan have nukes, or a legitimate international terror network.

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The Ecstatic said:

Bubbles85 said:

The Ecstatic said:

Would you have opposed the mass immigration of Irish to this country?

Why or why not

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People have every right to oppose any immigration that promotes racial segregation. Mass immigration is the biggest cause of this.

Racial segregation is a huge issue with the Muslim population in Britain, who fight to conserve their religious ideologies, by way of living completely separate lives from the rest of the country.

Many are simply refusing to integrate and mass immigration has allowed that to happen.

This is well documented. With many polls, such as from ICM confirming that fact.

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Why do they have to integrate?

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  Because when they don't integrate they don't get educated, they don't enter the workforce, they commit more crimes, and they become massive financial burdens for the native population.

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many immigrant families actually tend to leave working class white males behind in terms of educational attainment. Which is where a portion of hostility comes from i imagine.

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I'm sure jealouly of Muslim educational achievement living there is a very small part of the hostility.

The Ecstatic said:

Bullshit.

If i stab you in the head and give everyone else a paper cut on the arm, you have no legitimate complaint?

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I've yet to see a compelling argument for this "exploitation" of the third world.

Tipote said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Why do they have to integrate?

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  Because when they don't integrate they don't get educated, they don't enter the workforce, they commit more crimes, and they become massive financial burdens for the native population.

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many immigrant families actually tend to leave working class white males behind in terms of educational attainment. Which is where a portion of hostility comes from i imagine.

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Rainman420 said:

Tipote said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Why do they have to integrate?

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  Because when they don't integrate they don't get educated, they don't enter the workforce, they commit more crimes, and they become massive financial burdens for the native population.

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many immigrant families actually tend to leave working class white males behind in terms of educational attainment. Which is where a portion of hostility comes from i imagine.

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God I hate that kind of argument. Ok, sure there are exceptions to the rule but you cannot be realistically implying that on a whole immigrants end up outpacing everyone else with their abilities?

The point is that they end up being a burden on the state financially, the crime rates go up, specific areas become no go zones for natural citizens and it all ends up creating an array of otherwise avoidable problems.

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