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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Bubbles85 said:
The Ecstatic said:
Would you have opposed the mass immigration of Irish to this country?

Why or why not



People have every right to oppose any immigration that promotes racial segregation. Mass immigration is the biggest cause of this.

Racial segregation is a huge issue with the Muslim population in Britain, who fight to conserve their religious ideologies, by way of living completely separate lives from the rest of the country.

Many are simply refusing to integrate and mass immigration has allowed that to happen.

This is well documented. With many polls, such as from ICM confirming that fact.



Why do they have to integrate?



Because when they don't they bomb Paris.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
The Ecstatic said:
Bubbles85 said:
The Ecstatic said:
Would you have opposed the mass immigration of Irish to this country?

Why or why not



People have every right to oppose any immigration that promotes racial segregation. Mass immigration is the biggest cause of this.

Racial segregation is a huge issue with the Muslim population in Britain, who fight to conserve their religious ideologies, by way of living completely separate lives from the rest of the country.

Many are simply refusing to integrate and mass immigration has allowed that to happen.

This is well documented. With many polls, such as from ICM confirming that fact.



Why do they have to integrate?



Because when they don't they bomb Paris.



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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
The 50% figure is not a lie, it is a fact. I was speaking about specific areas, not London as a whole. The Office for National Statistics has confirmed that certain areas of London are now 50% Muslim.

Yes, i agree, he probably is a good representative of the native population. He is one of the few Muslims prepared to speak out against the majority, who are refusing to integrate and who push their social conservatism.



And at the same time you spoke about the natives being a minority. You make it hard to understand what the point behind your words is.

Exactly. He is a Muslim leader in a western country, and good will come from it.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Bubbles85 said:
Tipote said:
Sorry.. but if youre going to keep using that 50% figure, can you back it up please?

Yes, London is about 45% white british https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London#2011_Census

but it is about 12% islamic, not 50%. That is your perception, not reality.



No, not my perception, it is reality.

You're talking about the entire population of the London area, which indeed, Muslims make up 12% of. I stated that Muslims now make up 50% of the population in certain areas, which is the truth and has been stated so, by the Office for National Statistics.

Look it up if you don't believe me.



Its not that I don't believe it, its just that its not really making that much sense. Whats it got to do with swaying/influencing the election if muslims are concentrated sometimes in certain places?

There are some parts of London that are 100% Russian, 100% Greek Cypriot. I'm not sure what purpose your 50% figure is really serving so perhaps you can clarify?

It is a gross assumption to assume its because "they" want to be separate. Having ethnic/religious concentrations in certain areas does not necessarily show a lack of interest in integration. There are many factors involved in why certain groups tend to group together. I put forward one idea.. immigrants tend to go to certain parts of the UK because that is where cheap housing is. As income increases, immigrant populations tend to leave these neighbourhoods.

Yes there are some people who genuinely do not want to integrate. How can we accurately measure this?
Yes isolation of any community fosters hostility and isolation on all sides.

I agree as i've said before that immigration on such large scales, when the necessary infrastructure/system isn't sufficiently in place, can be destructive and these problems have to be addressed. I've never advocated for open borders immigration, though in an ideal world I think it should happen, my support is for accepting refugees in a coordinated way across Europe, to stop fuelling the fire of the Middle East, and to redistribute the gross income inequalities to actually tackle our country's infrastructure and housing problems...

I'm not sure if anyone saw about the refugee camp and the hospital in Syria that was bombed by the Syrian government recently...

Strict border/immigration controls and accepting refugees are not mutually exclusive. Everyone agrees that the state of immigration is unsustainable. God knows what will come from this Turkish blackmail. The Turkish PM who was negotiating the deal just quit in protest of dictator Erdogan's bullshit. Visa-free travel and more terror attacks in Europe here we come?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 1
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
The Ecstatic said:
Bubbles85 said:
The Ecstatic said:
Would you have opposed the mass immigration of Irish to this country?

Why or why not



People have every right to oppose any immigration that promotes racial segregation. Mass immigration is the biggest cause of this.

Racial segregation is a huge issue with the Muslim population in Britain, who fight to conserve their religious ideologies, by way of living completely separate lives from the rest of the country.

Many are simply refusing to integrate and mass immigration has allowed that to happen.

This is well documented. With many polls, such as from ICM confirming that fact.



Why do they have to integrate?



Because when they don't they bomb Paris.




not sure if this is sarcastic or...


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian] * 1
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Malkuthian said:
Bubbles85 said:
The 50% figure is not a lie, it is a fact. I was speaking about specific areas, not London as a whole. The Office for National Statistics has confirmed that certain areas of London are now 50% Muslim.

Yes, i agree, he probably is a good representative of the native population. He is one of the few Muslims prepared to speak out against the majority, who are refusing to integrate and who push their social conservatism.



And at the same time you spoke about the natives being a minority. You make it hard to understand what the point behind your words is.

Exactly. He is a Muslim leader in a western country, and good will come from it.



Its interesting that when a British Muslim doesn't conform to some perceived negative view of what a Muslim is, it isnt embraced. This is something that contributes to the separation and the lack of integration amongst some.

Sadiq Khan has had the largest number of people voting for him compared to other elections. This is a victory not only of integration but of the left as it is his policies that made him worth voting for. The conservative candidate was smearing him throughout the run up to the elections hinting that him being a muslim was negative and connects him with extremists. Even the PM said things along these lines...

but clearly Londoners do not agree.



If things were the other way around and Zac Goldsmith, the conservative (Jewish and son of a billionaire) candidate was slandered in any kind of way regarding his religion, then critics will be blasted for antisemitism. The double standards are all too clear to see yet some people still refuse to see it.

LOL did anyone see how terribly Britain First did? :lol:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 2
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
Bubbles85 said:
The 50% figure is not a lie, it is a fact. I was speaking about specific areas, not London as a whole. The Office for National Statistics has confirmed that certain areas of London are now 50% Muslim.

Yes, i agree, he probably is a good representative of the native population. He is one of the few Muslims prepared to speak out against the majority, who are refusing to integrate and who push their social conservatism.



And at the same time you spoke about the natives being a minority.




Yes, because it is a well known fact that the left manipulate the voter base with mass immigration.

Bring in hordes of migrants who depend on the government (the left) to maintain a higher vote percentage and remain in power.

If you think that the native populace being in a minority in the London area to migrants, has had no impact on the out come of a Left wing Muslim politician gaining power, then you're sadly mistaken.

Even those who are not Muslim, but are migrants are more likely to vote for the left. That is a fact.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
Bubbles85 said:
Tipote said:
Sorry.. but if youre going to keep using that 50% figure, can you back it up please?

Yes, London is about 45% white british https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London#2011_Census

but it is about 12% islamic, not 50%. That is your perception, not reality.



No, not my perception, it is reality.

You're talking about the entire population of the London area, which indeed, Muslims make up 12% of. I stated that Muslims now make up 50% of the population in certain areas, which is the truth and has been stated so, by the Office for National Statistics.

Look it up if you don't believe me.



Its not that I don't believe it, its just that its not really making that much sense. Whats it got to do with swaying/influencing the election if Muslims are concentrated sometimes in certain places?



The point was as stated above in response to Malk. The left us immigration to manipulate the voter base in their favor.

Also, 40% of the entire Muslim population of the UK live in London. That is almost 1.5 million people. From the graph you posted, Kahn received 1.3 million votes to win and you're telling me that, that fact has had no influence on his success?

Edited by Bubbles85 (05/08/16 08:42 AM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Bubbles85 said:
Malkuthian said:
Bubbles85 said:
The 50% figure is not a lie, it is a fact. I was speaking about specific areas, not London as a whole. The Office for National Statistics has confirmed that certain areas of London are now 50% Muslim.

Yes, i agree, he probably is a good representative of the native population. He is one of the few Muslims prepared to speak out against the majority, who are refusing to integrate and who push their social conservatism.



And at the same time you spoke about the natives being a minority.




Yes, because it is a well known fact that the left manipulate the voter base with mass immigration.

Bring in hordes of migrants who depend on the government (the left) to maintain a higher vote percentage and remain in power.

If you think that the native populace being in a minority in the London area to migrants, has had no impact on the out come of a Left wing Muslim politician gaining power, then you're sadly mistaken.

Even those who are not Muslim, but are migrants are more likely to vote for the left. That is a fact.



So the "problem" you are addressing is the rise of the horrible left-wing?
Thanks for clarifying.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian] * 2
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God damn those lefties for having compassion.


Not only that, but allowing refugees to RECOGNIZE it?! Disgusting.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
Bubbles85 said:
Malkuthian said:
Bubbles85 said:
The 50% figure is not a lie, it is a fact. I was speaking about specific areas, not London as a whole. The Office for National Statistics has confirmed that certain areas of London are now 50% Muslim.

Yes, i agree, he probably is a good representative of the native population. He is one of the few Muslims prepared to speak out against the majority, who are refusing to integrate and who push their social conservatism.



And at the same time you spoke about the natives being a minority.




Yes, because it is a well known fact that the left manipulate the voter base with mass immigration.

Bring in hordes of migrants who depend on the government (the left) to maintain a higher vote percentage and remain in power.

If you think that the native populace being in a minority in the London area to migrants, has had no impact on the out come of a Left wing Muslim politician gaining power, then you're sadly mistaken.

Even those who are not Muslim, but are migrants are more likely to vote for the left. That is a fact.



So the "problem" you are addressing is the rise of the horrible left-wing?
Thanks for clarifying.



Rise of the horrible left? They may have gained a Muslim mayor in London thanks to the immigrant vote, but on the grand scheme of things nationally, Labour did terribly.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
God damn those lefties for having compassion.


Not only that, but allowing refugees to RECOGNIZE it?! Disgusting.



Using corrupt tactic's to manipulate the vote, has nothing to do with compassion.

Also, the refugee population in the UK from the current crisis is like a few thousand people. So your point is irrelevant.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 2
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Muslims who integrate will grow in a more progressive nation, they will speak of good things.

Muslims whom get attacked by idiot right-wing groups, they will influence more terrorism; which has the duel effect of terror (obviously not good), but also the weeding out of terrorist -- which creates ultimately more terrorists.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
The Ecstatic said:
God damn those lefties for having compassion.


Not only that, but allowing refugees to RECOGNIZE it?! Disgusting.



Using corrupt tactic's to manipulate the vote, has nothing to do with compassion.

Also, the refugee population in the UK from the current crisis is like a few thousand people. So your point is irrelevant.




you're in a fucking fantasy world dude


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
zappaisgod said:
viktor said:
So, who thinks World War III (Judeo-Christianity vs. Islam) is going to be the result of this?


If it actually comes to a war of resolution like the first two were it will be very short.  The muslims are impressively incompetent.



People are idiots if they think some homogenous Muslim "axis" is an existential threat to the West.

The Muslim world cant even agree with itself, cant shed their antiquated social policies, cant do a bunch of things it would take to topple the West.

The West exploits the Middle East as we exploit Africa and SE Asia, we just dont worry about the blowback because neither Liberia nor Taiwan have nukes, or a legitimate international terror network.



Any examples of this "exploitation"?  Please something besides this "stealing of natural resources" that are SOLD on the global markets.



I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you over the definition of exploit.

Theres plenty of information out there regarding the relationship between industry, the military, trade deals, world Bank and IMF, foreign leaders, and how they conspire to stack the deck in their favor.

Theres also an excellent book called 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman" that goes into great detail about how this is accomplished.

Please spare us the feigned naivety.



I hope you're joking because his whole thesis is pure dribble, globalization impacts everyone, including people in the developed world.

He even acknowledges there isn't any sort of conspiracy with globalization, it's pure business and nothing more, his "details" are more like broad generalizations.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
Tipote said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Here's a story of a Turkish immigrant you should read, Qman.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/business/a-windfall-for-chobani-employees-stakes-in-the-company.html?_r=0

Zappa would do well to read it also, given his recent silly comment on the value of employees.



nice one, i was going to post this. Great story.

also..this just in.. London just elected its first Muslim mayor.



Most Muslim's must hate him.



what do you know?

So bubbles said that Khan won in part from so many muslims living in london but youre saying the muslims hate him?



He's a decent man with a sensible ideology, many Muslim's find that being betrayed.

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