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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
Those attacks are absolutely vile.

qman said:
You're concerned with the exact logistical specifics, it's not going to matter if the "far-right" and others take over "homeland security" in places like Germany.



Of course its going to matter!! It will not just affect Muslims, it will be used for non-muslims.  If things come to that then there will be a civil war. Many Europeans will reject this and the resistance will be huge. You neglect the historical context yet again. Abuses that happened against the Jews are increasingly hitting Muslims. This will not be tolerated. 

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If the shit hits the fan, Muslims are going to wish they were compassionately deported.



I'm told that I rationalise violence by saying there are legitimate grievances that muslims have but that terrorism isnt the answer. Are you rationalising violence of the far-right? Do you approve of this violence?

Why is "far-right" written like that? Do you think they aren't really far-right?



My point was either the governments can regulate deportation or the natives will bring their own version of homeland security, which one do you prefer?

"Do you approve of this violence?"

No I don't not, anytime civilians try to take justice into their own hands very bad things happen, that's why I'm advocating for a violence prevention policy, it's called a measured deportation policy. In fact the educated Muslims should be promoting this idea ASAP.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: night_shift]
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http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/

It's rooted in Communism/Marxism from the Jewish population to oppose the large majority White Christian (straight male) populations. Blacks and others just jumped on the bandwagon, as a female did you fall for it?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: night_shift]
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night_shift said:
WAN said:
airclay said:
WAN said:
Racists deserve politically correct treatments.




:lmafo:



Do we not extend human rights to convicted murderers, who might very well have violated the human rights of his victim/s?  It's the same principle.




Political correctness is far from being a human right.



I never said it was.  I was just giving an analogy.
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Thus, racist scumbags are not covered by the umbrella of political correctness.



By your logic, we should stop giving human rights to convicted murderers.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote did you see this post of mine?  I edited out some parts of it then re-posted it.  Awaiting your response.
WAN said:
Tipote said:
It is obvious that if you remove anyone who might be hated for ANY reason, you will have fewer hate crimes. Well done stating the bleeding obvious.



This is actually a significant point.  People as a rule like to draw lines between "us" and "them" (just stating what IS, not what SHOULD BE) and they band with those similar to them against outsiders.  So if a government brings in alien-looking foreigners, there will be tension.  It is actually good for the natives as well as the would-be foreigners for the latter not to be let in in a particular country.  There would be less hate and less tension among the host country and foreigners would not be introduce into a situation where they stand to be hated.

Why are you so gung-ho about importing different-looking foreigners with vastly different customs, cultures and mannerisms into European countries?  Is it because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling in your gut?  Give me one, just one, reason why we must mix with those different from we are.



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WAN said:
It shows that it is natural that people treat those with different looks as outsiders and foreigners.  I feel sorry for the fully integrated Muslims that they are treated as foreigners by their hosts but this is not the natives' fault.  They (the Muslims) should blame the countries' leaders for bringing them into countries where they just KNOW they are going to be looked at with suspicion.



so much :facepalm::facepalm3::trekfacepalm:

"muslims should blame the countries bringing them into countries where they know they will be looked at with suspicion"???
:wtf:

I dont even know how to address half on your fucking idiotic points. They hardly make any sense (i'm being generous).

I'm not sure what asian country you are from but say you are from China and there are Korean terror attacks against the US/EU and you get blamed for those attacks. You arent even Korean and even if you were it is nothing to do with you. It is the country you are from whos fault it is? Did they even send you to another country or did you move BY YOURSELF?

why do i waste my time with you?



Indeed it would not have been my fault, however I am just recognizing the reality of the situation.  People would see that I am asian and then group me with the Koreans.  Would I be delighted by this? No I would not.  However, I also realize that it is human nature to group and categorize people and that I indeed look similar to Koreans.  So I would not blame the natives for thinking that I am Korean.  I would, however, really ponder about why I am in such a predicament.  Why would I, as an Asian, come to a land full of white people.  Are I and my country's folks so totally incapable of building a prosperous society such that I need to go to a foreign land in search of a good life?  Why do I stay in such a country, if all I am receiving is hate, distrust, and hostility?

These are the things that I encourage all foreigners in Western countries to think about. 



Edited by WAN (03/26/16 03:29 AM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
My point was either the governments can regulate deportation or the natives will bring their own version of homeland security, which one do you prefer?

"Do you approve of this violence?"

No I don't not, anytime civilians try to take justice into their own hands very bad things happen, that's why I'm advocating for a violence prevention policy, it's called a measured deportation policy. In fact the educated Muslims should be promoting this idea ASAP.



so perhaps a violence-prevention policy would be to stop invading other countries because if we don't, civilians will take "justice" into their own hands and attack our countries. same logic right? but you seem to only see the rationale of the far right groups.

You ignored the question about deportation of citizens.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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WAN said:
Why are you so gung-ho about importing different-looking foreigners with vastly different customs, cultures and mannerisms into European countries?  Is it because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling in your gut?  Give me one, just one, reason why we must mix with those different from we are.



diversity is strength. Since you obsess about races and genes etc, do you know that having children with foreign people gives your kids stronger genetics?
If you have ever been to london you would see the diversity of ideas, of culture. there is a rich tapestry. Why not embrace all the best aspects of all cultures?

different cultures, customs and mannerisms is not enough to reject people. People have more in common than they are different. I know thats hard for you to get your mind around because you just simplistically see something different and reject it. Despite being different yourself. :lol:

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why do i waste my time with you?



Indeed it would not have been my fault, however I am just recognizing the reality of the situation.  People would see that I am asian and then group me with the Koreans.  Would I be delighted by this? No I would not.  However, I also realize that it is human nature to group and categorize people and that I indeed look similar to Koreans.  So I would not blame the natives for thinking that I am Korean.  I would, however, really ponder about why I am in such a predicament.  Why would I, as an Asian, come to a land full of white people.  Are I and my country's folks so totally incapable of building a prosperous society such that I need to go to a foreign land in search of a good life?  Why do I stay in such a country, if all I am receiving is hate, distrust, and hostility?

These are the things that I encourage all foreigners in Western countries to think about. 



so ill ask you again.. what if there were korean terror attacks against the canadian government and because you look similar to koreans and accept that people will group you in with them, you are treated as a terrorist, your kids are treated as terrorist despite being second generation canadian, and this continues. Do you not think that is unjust and stupid? If you are then treated with such hate, distrust and hostility, will you self-deport because of what a bunch of idiots think? Why are you unable to ever put yourself in someone else's shoes??! I encourage you to think about that.

:facepalm:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 2
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
My point was either the governments can regulate deportation or the natives will bring their own version of homeland security, which one do you prefer?

"Do you approve of this violence?"

No I don't not, anytime civilians try to take justice into their own hands very bad things happen, that's why I'm advocating for a violence prevention policy, it's called a measured deportation policy. In fact the educated Muslims should be promoting this idea ASAP.



so perhaps a violence-prevention policy would be to stop invading other countries because if we don't, civilians will take "justice" into their own hands and attack our countries. same logic right? but you seem to only see the rationale of the far right groups.

You ignored the question about deportation of citizens.



You're constantly confusing geopolitics with domestic policies.

If Muslims in the EU don't like US foreign policy and as a result use terrorism to symbolize their disapproval, there is no place for them in the EU!!

Muslims in the EU are reacting to something occurring thousands of miles away from where they live, EU citizens are going to be reacting to something occurring in their own towns and cities, BIG DIFFERENCE.

Yes, even Muslims with citizenship will need to be deported, hopefully Muslims in the EU can support this policy to prevent any violence.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
WAN said:
Why are you so gung-ho about importing different-looking foreigners with vastly different customs, cultures and mannerisms into European countries?  Is it because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling in your gut?  Give me one, just one, reason why we must mix with those different from we are.



diversity is strength. Since you obsess about races and genes etc, do you know that having children with foreign people gives your kids stronger genetics?
If you have ever been to london you would see the diversity of ideas, of culture. there is a rich tapestry. Why not embrace all the best aspects of all cultures?

different cultures, customs and mannerisms is not enough to reject people. People have more in common than they are different. I know thats hard for you to get your mind around because you just simplistically see something different and reject it. Despite being different yourself. :lol:

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WAN said:
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why do i waste my time with you?



Indeed it would not have been my fault, however I am just recognizing the reality of the situation.  People would see that I am asian and then group me with the Koreans.  Would I be delighted by this? No I would not.  However, I also realize that it is human nature to group and categorize people and that I indeed look similar to Koreans.  So I would not blame the natives for thinking that I am Korean.  I would, however, really ponder about why I am in such a predicament.  Why would I, as an Asian, come to a land full of white people.  Are I and my country's folks so totally incapable of building a prosperous society such that I need to go to a foreign land in search of a good life?  Why do I stay in such a country, if all I am receiving is hate, distrust, and hostility?

These are the things that I encourage all foreigners in Western countries to think about. 



so ill ask you again.. what if there were korean terror attacks against the canadian government and because you look similar to koreans and accept that people will group you in with them, you are treated as a terrorist, your kids are treated as terrorist despite being second generation canadian, and this continues. Do you not think that is unjust and stupid? If you are then treated with such hate, distrust and hostility, will you self-deport because of what a bunch of idiots think? Why are you unable to ever put yourself in someone else's shoes??! I encourage you to think about that.

:facepalm:



"diversity is strength"

In some ideal situations, this is the case. It's not the case with you have a clash of cultures, heritages, and genetics.

The most important aspect of diversity success is economic growth and prosperity, the US and EU no longer have this option available, as a result "cultural diversity" has become a failure. Three major leaders from the EU have already acknowledged this fact, same with Trump.

Is Poles moving into the UK some radical clash of cultures?  NO. Is Africans moving into the UK a clash of cultures? Absolutely, it's a disaster.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: night_shift]
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night_shift said:
qman said:
http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/



Wow. For an article called "The Origins of Political Correctness", very few origins are cited. (Does mentioning a comic strip without citing it even count?) Thanks for the link though, it was useful. As in, it made me actually research the term.

qman said:
It's rooted in Communism/Marxism from the Jewish population to oppose the large majority White Christian (straight male) populations.



I think not.

qman said:
Blacks and others just jumped on the bandwagon, as a female did you fall for it?



Lol. No.



"I think not"

Why?  Your link isn't even readable.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
WAN said:
Why are you so gung-ho about importing different-looking foreigners with vastly different customs, cultures and mannerisms into European countries?  Is it because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling in your gut?  Give me one, just one, reason why we must mix with those different from we are.



diversity is strength. Since you obsess about races and genes etc, do you know that having children with foreign people gives your kids stronger genetics?



It is only your opinion that diversity is strength.  What if there are people who think otherwise?  Are you going to get on a high horse and talk down to them, telling them that their way of thinking is wrong and that only your way of thinking is correct?  Why are you so unbelievably self-righteous?  And why do you allow others no room for debate, much less to form their own thoughts and opinions?

Also, I cannot comment on mixed children having stronger genetics because I am no geneticist.  However, I will add that for white people to mix with non-white people, many of their recessive traits will be erased.  For example, if a blond-haired white person procreates with a raven-haired foreigner, their children will tend to have black hair.  If a white person with blue eyes mixes with someone with dark brown eyes, chances are the kids will have darker eyes, too.  So you can see, this is bad and it actually decreases phenotypic diversity.

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If you have ever been to london you would see the diversity of ideas, of culture. there is a rich tapestry. Why not embrace all the best aspects of all cultures?



It is all well and good that you want to embrace different aspects of all cultures, however I just want to say that 1. some people don't want to; and 2. you should respect the will of these people and not force diversity on them by allowing the mass immigration of third-world and foreign people.

It all comes down to the principle that you should always respect people's right to object and be different from you.

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different cultures, customs and mannerisms is not enough to reject people.



First of all, this is just your opinion.  Secondly, not wanting to live with different looking people is not "rejecting" them.  People simply have the right to choose whom they wish to associate with. 

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People have more in common than they are different.



By this logic, you have more in common than there are differences between you and a convicted murderer.  So, does this mean you are going to marry her, and live with her in the same house for the rest of your life?  No.  And why?  It's because similarities are not as important as differences.  Same logic.  Just because a foreigner has red blood cells, he/she breathes air, and needs to eat food in order to live, etc etc and basically she has some commonality with me, however I will STILL not want to live with him/her nor welcome him/her into my community.  It's the same principle at work.  Similarities are not as important as differences.
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WAN said:
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why do i waste my time with you?



Indeed it would not have been my fault, however I am just recognizing the reality of the situation.  People would see that I am asian and then group me with the Koreans.  Would I be delighted by this? No I would not.  However, I also realize that it is human nature to group and categorize people and that I indeed look similar to Koreans.  So I would not blame the natives for thinking that I am Korean.  I would, however, really ponder about why I am in such a predicament.  Why would I, as an Asian, come to a land full of white people.  Are I and my country's folks so totally incapable of building a prosperous society such that I need to go to a foreign land in search of a good life?  Why do I stay in such a country, if all I am receiving is hate, distrust, and hostility?

These are the things that I encourage all foreigners in Western countries to think about. 



so ill ask you again.. what if there were korean terror attacks against the canadian government and because you look similar to koreans and accept that people will group you in with them, you are treated as a terrorist, your kids are treated as terrorist despite being second generation canadian, and this continues. Do you not think that is unjust and stupid? If you are then treated with such hate, distrust and hostility, will you self-deport because of what a bunch of idiots think? Why are you unable to ever put yourself in someone else's shoes??! I encourage you to think about that.

:facepalm:




It's like I said, I would seriously think about why I was even in the West.  Why would I have to go to a land full of people who look different from me, where all I am getting is hate and hostility.  Then I would seriously think about moving back to my home country, if my kids were going to be treated as terrorists.

You talk as if foreigners and their descendants are entitled to being treated as one of the natives.  It's not going to happen, no matter how many generations they have lived in said country.  It is human nature to group and categorize other people.  If you and your kids fit the profile of being a terrorist, then too bad.  People are going to view you with misgiving and apprehension

And I am talking about what IS, not what SHOULD BE.  So please do not moralize and say things like how foreigners shouldn't be treated this way or that if they have lived in the West for however many generations.

Edited by WAN (03/26/16 11:28 AM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
its a good question but I think you are starting to understand. Yes, there are no front lines etc. It is a battle of ideas that making a fortress out of Europe would not address. Clamping down on the symptoms does not address the root causes.



You think I'm starting to understand? Islam is a fascist ideology and i predict nothing but civil unrest in the West as a direct result of Muslim occupation here. Making a fortress out of Europe seems like the only sensible option at this point.

Please explain to me how allowing millions upon millions of new third world Muslim immigrants into Europe is going to be a good thing at this point?

Tipote said:
Our people kill civilians in the millions too. It doesnt make it ok but we need to live in reality.



Wrong, you continually (however subliminally you try and make it) try to flip things around to detract from the topic of discussion and make it about us, (Europeans, Americans) and what we're doing wrong. Its getting very tedious and tiresome to reply to.

our military personnel will never purposely target civilian populations. Yes some civilians inevitably get killed in conflict zones, such is the nature of war.

Muslim extremist's purposely target civilians, Western armed forces do not. Thats the difference.

The British army has been fighting to make the world a better place since the Great war. Yet all they get in return, or as thanks from left wingers like you and the immigrants they've imported, is tard with shit and made to look like they're responsible for all that is wrong with the world.

Who came to the rescue of the Jews when they were being ethnically cleansed by the Nazis during the Second World War? The British Army and allied forces.

Who came to the rescue of the Muslim populations in Bosnia when they were being exterminated to create an ethnically pure state in the 1990's? The British army and NATO. My uncle and step farther were both involved in the Bosnian peacekeeping efforts.

Who were responsible for the liberation of Kuwait from Iraq? The British Army and the West.

Who came to the rescue of Kosovo in 1999 to halt the ethnic cleansing of Albanian Muslims? The British Army and the West.

Who came to the rescue of Sierra Leone, helping to end the country's civil war that left some 50,000 Muslim's deceased? The British Army and the West.

Maybe if you weren't so busy trying to google ancient colonial history to paint the West with shit, you would know these things.

Tipote said:
Who are you talking about? Daesh? They fight plenty against armed opposition



BIG up Daesh. :facepalm:

Tipote said:
By battling the ideas and not alienating entire communities, the majority of whom are not involved.



Yes, I'm sure that will stop extremists from committing terrorist acts. NOT.

Tipote said:
Conforming to Daesh propaganda and talking about a war on Muslims does not serve our aims, unless our aim is endless war - which i suspect it is to an extent.



News Flash, Islam has been at war with Europe for 1400 years. Before the Crusades, Muslims continually invaded Europe to try to conquer these lands.

Tipote said:
It is not the presence of Muslims that is the problem, it is the global demonisation and alienation over generations that make people even consider to go to Daesh.



Yet again you flip this around and make the Muslim population's the victim. Its getting fucking old bro. All Daesh members were alienated, so its our fault they commit terrorism right? Thats what your saying.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
You know there are millions of native muslims in Europe.......right?



What does this even mean? Are you suggesting that millions of native Europeans have converted to Islam? I highly doubt that.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
Islam has been in Europe for a long time. Google Kosovo. its population is 90% muslim and has been for hundreds of years.



Kosovo is not an EU country. Its citizens are restricted from entering, or moving freely through out Europe.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Yes, even Muslims with citizenship will need to be deported, hopefully Muslims in the EU can support this policy to prevent any violence.




what your saying is that you think people should be deported from their country of residence (some with fully legal citizenship) on basis of their religious faith? for the protection of who? and you hope they will support this?

are you fucking daft?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Bubbles85 said:
Tipote said:
Islam has been in Europe for a long time. Google Kosovo. its population is 90% muslim and has been for hundreds of years.



Kosovo is not an EU country. Its citizens are restricted from entering, or moving freely through out Europe.



You realize not all of Europe is part of the EU, right?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
qman said:
Yes, even Muslims with citizenship will need to be deported, hopefully Muslims in the EU can support this policy to prevent any violence.




what your saying is that you think people should be deported from their country of residence (some with fully legal citizenship) on basis of their religious faith? for the protection of who? and you hope they will support this?

are you fucking daft?



I'm trying to reduce the violence that might be inflicted on innocent Muslims if the current trend continues in the EU, Muslims that want to stay in the EU need to step up to the plate, otherwise the alternative might not be very pretty. :shrug:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Bubbles85 said:
Tipote said:
Islam has been in Europe for a long time. Google Kosovo. its population is 90% muslim and has been for hundreds of years.



Kosovo is not an EU country. Its citizens are restricted from entering, or moving freely through out Europe.



You realize not all of Europe is part of the EU, right?



Connected by land mass, does not equal European. Is Russia part of Europe because the East of the EU is connected to it by land. No.

The point was, that Muslims from Kosovo, stay in Kosovo. They're not an EU member and do not have free movement through out Europe. They're not colonizing large swaths of Western Europe like Third World Muslims. Thats why their presence so close to the rest of Europe has not really caused any problems in the Western half of it.

Also, to look at it from another perspective, in terms of recent conflicts in the European vicinity, all have happened in heavily Muslim populated country's like Bosnia and Kosovo.

Edited by Bubbles85 (03/27/16 08:19 AM)

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