Tipote said:

Those attacks are absolutely vile.

qman said:

You're concerned with the exact logistical specifics, it's not going to matter if the "far-right" and others take over "homeland security" in places like Germany.

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Of course its going to matter!! It will not just affect Muslims, it will be used for non-muslims.  If things come to that then there will be a civil war. Many Europeans will reject this and the resistance will be huge. You neglect the historical context yet again. Abuses that happened against the Jews are increasingly hitting Muslims. This will not be tolerated. 

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If the shit hits the fan, Muslims are going to wish they were compassionately deported.

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I'm told that I rationalise violence by saying there are legitimate grievances that muslims have but that terrorism isnt the answer. Are you rationalising violence of the far-right? Do you approve of this violence?

Why is "far-right" written like that? Do you think they aren't really far-right?

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night_shift said:

WAN said:

airclay said:

WAN said:

Racists deserve politically correct treatments.

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Do we not extend human rights to convicted murderers, who might very well have violated the human rights of his victim/s?  It's the same principle.

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Political correctness is far from being a human right.

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WAN said:

Tipote said:

It is obvious that if you remove anyone who might be hated for ANY reason, you will have fewer hate crimes. Well done stating the bleeding obvious.

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This is actually a significant point.  People as a rule like to draw lines between "us" and "them" (just stating what IS, not what SHOULD BE) and they band with those similar to them against outsiders.  So if a government brings in alien-looking foreigners, there will be tension.  It is actually good for the natives as well as the would-be foreigners for the latter not to be let in in a particular country.  There would be less hate and less tension among the host country and foreigners would not be introduce into a situation where they stand to be hated.

Why are you so gung-ho about importing different-looking foreigners with vastly different customs, cultures and mannerisms into European countries?  Is it because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling in your gut?  Give me one, just one, reason why we must mix with those different from we are.

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WAN said:

It shows that it is natural that people treat those with different looks as outsiders and foreigners.  I feel sorry for the fully integrated Muslims that they are treated as foreigners by their hosts but this is not the natives' fault.  They (the Muslims) should blame the countries' leaders for bringing them into countries where they just KNOW they are going to be looked at with suspicion.

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so much

"muslims should blame the countries bringing them into countries where they know they will be looked at with suspicion"???


I dont even know how to address half on your fucking idiotic points. They hardly make any sense (i'm being generous).

I'm not sure what asian country you are from but say you are from China and there are Korean terror attacks against the US/EU and you get blamed for those attacks. You arent even Korean and even if you were it is nothing to do with you. It is the country you are from whos fault it is? Did they even send you to another country or did you move BY YOURSELF?

why do i waste my time with you?

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Indeed it would not have been my fault, however I am just recognizing the reality of the situation.  People would see that I am asian and then group me with the Koreans.  Would I be delighted by this? No I would not.  However, I also realize that it is human nature to group and categorize people and that I indeed look similar to Koreans.  So I would not blame the natives for thinking that I am Korean.  I would, however, really ponder about why I am in such a predicament.  Why would I, as an Asian, come to a land full of white people.  Are I and my country's folks so totally incapable of building a prosperous society such that I need to go to a foreign land in search of a good life?  Why do I stay in such a country, if all I am receiving is hate, distrust, and hostility?

These are the things that I encourage all foreigners in Western countries to think about. 

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qman said:

My point was either the governments can regulate deportation or the natives will bring their own version of homeland security, which one do you prefer?

"Do you approve of this violence?"

No I don't not, anytime civilians try to take justice into their own hands very bad things happen, that's why I'm advocating for a violence prevention policy, it's called a measured deportation policy. In fact the educated Muslims should be promoting this idea ASAP.

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WAN said:

Why are you so gung-ho about importing different-looking foreigners with vastly different customs, cultures and mannerisms into European countries?  Is it because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling in your gut?  Give me one, just one, reason why we must mix with those different from we are.

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diversity is strength. Since you obsess about races and genes etc, do you know that having children with foreign people gives your kids stronger genetics?
If you have ever been to london you would see the diversity of ideas, of culture. there is a rich tapestry. Why not embrace all the best aspects of all cultures?

different cultures, customs and mannerisms is not enough to reject people. People have more in common than they are different. I know thats hard for you to get your mind around because you just simplistically see something different and reject it. Despite being different yourself.

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why do i waste my time with you?

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Indeed it would not have been my fault, however I am just recognizing the reality of the situation.  People would see that I am asian and then group me with the Koreans.  Would I be delighted by this? No I would not.  However, I also realize that it is human nature to group and categorize people and that I indeed look similar to Koreans.  So I would not blame the natives for thinking that I am Korean.  I would, however, really ponder about why I am in such a predicament.  Why would I, as an Asian, come to a land full of white people.  Are I and my country's folks so totally incapable of building a prosperous society such that I need to go to a foreign land in search of a good life?  Why do I stay in such a country, if all I am receiving is hate, distrust, and hostility?

These are the things that I encourage all foreigners in Western countries to think about. 

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so ill ask you again.. what if there were korean terror attacks against the canadian government and because you look similar to koreans and accept that people will group you in with them, you are treated as a terrorist, your kids are treated as terrorist despite being second generation canadian, and this continues. Do you not think that is unjust and stupid? If you are then treated with such hate, distrust and hostility, will you self-deport because of what a bunch of idiots think? Why are you unable to ever put yourself in someone else's shoes??! I encourage you to think about that.

Tipote said:

qman said:

My point was either the governments can regulate deportation or the natives will bring their own version of homeland security, which one do you prefer?

"Do you approve of this violence?"

No I don't not, anytime civilians try to take justice into their own hands very bad things happen, that's why I'm advocating for a violence prevention policy, it's called a measured deportation policy. In fact the educated Muslims should be promoting this idea ASAP.

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so perhaps a violence-prevention policy would be to stop invading other countries because if we don't, civilians will take "justice" into their own hands and attack our countries. same logic right? but you seem to only see the rationale of the far right groups.

You ignored the question about deportation of citizens.

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Why are you so gung-ho about importing different-looking foreigners with vastly different customs, cultures and mannerisms into European countries?  Is it because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling in your gut?  Give me one, just one, reason why we must mix with those different from we are.

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diversity is strength. Since you obsess about races and genes etc, do you know that having children with foreign people gives your kids stronger genetics?
If you have ever been to london you would see the diversity of ideas, of culture. there is a rich tapestry. Why not embrace all the best aspects of all cultures?

different cultures, customs and mannerisms is not enough to reject people. People have more in common than they are different. I know thats hard for you to get your mind around because you just simplistically see something different and reject it. Despite being different yourself.

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why do i waste my time with you?

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Indeed it would not have been my fault, however I am just recognizing the reality of the situation.  People would see that I am asian and then group me with the Koreans.  Would I be delighted by this? No I would not.  However, I also realize that it is human nature to group and categorize people and that I indeed look similar to Koreans.  So I would not blame the natives for thinking that I am Korean.  I would, however, really ponder about why I am in such a predicament.  Why would I, as an Asian, come to a land full of white people.  Are I and my country's folks so totally incapable of building a prosperous society such that I need to go to a foreign land in search of a good life?  Why do I stay in such a country, if all I am receiving is hate, distrust, and hostility?

These are the things that I encourage all foreigners in Western countries to think about. 

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so ill ask you again.. what if there were korean terror attacks against the canadian government and because you look similar to koreans and accept that people will group you in with them, you are treated as a terrorist, your kids are treated as terrorist despite being second generation canadian, and this continues. Do you not think that is unjust and stupid? If you are then treated with such hate, distrust and hostility, will you self-deport because of what a bunch of idiots think? Why are you unable to ever put yourself in someone else's shoes??! I encourage you to think about that.

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night_shift said:

qman said:

http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/

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Wow. For an article called "The Origins of Political Correctness", very few origins are cited. (Does mentioning a comic strip without citing it even count?) Thanks for the link though, it was useful. As in, it made me actually research the term.

qman said:

It's rooted in Communism/Marxism from the Jewish population to oppose the large majority White Christian (straight male) populations.

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I think not.

qman said:

Blacks and others just jumped on the bandwagon, as a female did you fall for it?

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Lol. No.

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Why are you so gung-ho about importing different-looking foreigners with vastly different customs, cultures and mannerisms into European countries?  Is it because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling in your gut?  Give me one, just one, reason why we must mix with those different from we are.

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diversity is strength. Since you obsess about races and genes etc, do you know that having children with foreign people gives your kids stronger genetics?

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why do i waste my time with you?

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Indeed it would not have been my fault, however I am just recognizing the reality of the situation.  People would see that I am asian and then group me with the Koreans.  Would I be delighted by this? No I would not.  However, I also realize that it is human nature to group and categorize people and that I indeed look similar to Koreans.  So I would not blame the natives for thinking that I am Korean.  I would, however, really ponder about why I am in such a predicament.  Why would I, as an Asian, come to a land full of white people.  Are I and my country's folks so totally incapable of building a prosperous society such that I need to go to a foreign land in search of a good life?  Why do I stay in such a country, if all I am receiving is hate, distrust, and hostility?

These are the things that I encourage all foreigners in Western countries to think about. 

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so ill ask you again.. what if there were korean terror attacks against the canadian government and because you look similar to koreans and accept that people will group you in with them, you are treated as a terrorist, your kids are treated as terrorist despite being second generation canadian, and this continues. Do you not think that is unjust and stupid? If you are then treated with such hate, distrust and hostility, will you self-deport because of what a bunch of idiots think? Why are you unable to ever put yourself in someone else's shoes??! I encourage you to think about that.

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Tipote said:

its a good question but I think you are starting to understand. Yes, there are no front lines etc. It is a battle of ideas that making a fortress out of Europe would not address. Clamping down on the symptoms does not address the root causes.

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Tipote said:

Our people kill civilians in the millions too. It doesnt make it ok but we need to live in reality.

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Tipote said:

Who are you talking about? Daesh? They fight plenty against armed opposition

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BIG up Daesh.

Tipote said:

By battling the ideas and not alienating entire communities, the majority of whom are not involved.

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Tipote said:

Conforming to Daesh propaganda and talking about a war on Muslims does not serve our aims, unless our aim is endless war - which i suspect it is to an extent.

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Tipote said:

It is not the presence of Muslims that is the problem, it is the global demonisation and alienation over generations that make people even consider to go to Daesh.

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Tipote said:

You know there are millions of native muslims in Europe.......right?

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Tipote said:

Islam has been in Europe for a long time. Google Kosovo. its population is 90% muslim and has been for hundreds of years.

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qman said:

Yes, even Muslims with citizenship will need to be deported, hopefully Muslims in the EU can support this policy to prevent any violence.

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Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

Islam has been in Europe for a long time. Google Kosovo. its population is 90% muslim and has been for hundreds of years.

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Kosovo is not an EU country. Its citizens are restricted from entering, or moving freely through out Europe.

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airclay said:

qman said:

Yes, even Muslims with citizenship will need to be deported, hopefully Muslims in the EU can support this policy to prevent any violence.

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what your saying is that you think people should be deported from their country of residence (some with fully legal citizenship) on basis of their religious faith? for the protection of who? and you hope they will support this?

are you fucking daft?

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I'm trying to reduce the violence that might be inflicted on innocent Muslims if the current trend continues in the EU, Muslims that want to stay in the EU need to step up to the plate, otherwise the alternative might not be very pretty.

The Ecstatic said:

Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

Islam has been in Europe for a long time. Google Kosovo. its population is 90% muslim and has been for hundreds of years.

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Kosovo is not an EU country. Its citizens are restricted from entering, or moving freely through out Europe.

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You realize not all of Europe is part of the EU, right?

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