Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

WAN said:

I bet if we do get ethnically pure states, we will see a huge reduction in hate crimes and terrorist acts.

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I agree.

And I bet if we get bigot free states, we will see a huge reduction in hate crimes and terrorist acts.

So do we kick out the people of a different race, or do we kick out the bigots? 

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Tipote said:

qman said:

Who knows, that's why I say it's better to admit that the "cultural diversity" experiment was a huge miscalculation and starting a mass scale deportation process would be the most prudent action going forward.

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Why not try to make it better? Unless we are going to set up ethnically pure states, immigration/integration will always be a thing. We might as well get better at it.

You said earlier that mass deportations would be in the interests of refugee safety. So your logic is to send them back to Syria to die or Europeans will kill them eventually?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Don't watch the video.  Just look at the image.

It says "Will trade racists for refugees"

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qman said:

airclay said:

not all euro's see it as victimization, only those looking to play the victim card when they see less and less of their own cultural hegemony and fall prey to xenophobic nonsense. it's much like you and your ideas about white cultural hegemony here in the us. so I can understand why you'd view it in that manner.

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Some don't see it as victimization, but that tide is turning very quickly. The EU economy has been down in the dumps for over a decade, unemployment and real wages have truly hurt the average citizen.  The high unemployment in the Muslim population doesn't help the situation, the governments can NOT afford to pay for their free basic needs forever.

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

I'll await Bubbles to come in to call immigration a form of genocide

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Just because your fine with the majority of native EU populations becoming a minority in their own country's to third world immigrants, does not mean every one else is.

The native British population WILL be a minority in the UK by 2066 if current immigration trends continue and the same is true for many other EU states.

Not that it bothers you in the slightest.

Native EU populations becoming a minority across the entire continent would fit your "Muslimistan" (your words) family heritage quiet well i guess and you would clearly just convert to Islam at that point anyway, since you all ready fast for Ramadan and pray at mosque.

You clearly have no connection to your European heritage and are quite happy to see it sacrificed for the Third World.

Oh and just for the record, trying to "understand" or give reasoning as to why these fucking cowards commit these crimes, is in its self trying to find a away to justify their actions. You can say it's not all you like, but it clearly is.

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No, understanding these fucks is the only way to fight them effectively. It doesnt excuse them, it doesnt justify their actions. You just can't comprehend that idea.

With respect, Bubbles, you know absolutely fuck all about my connection to my heritage. It is precisely because of my family history that I resist this hatred. It is destructive to the hater and the hatee. I love Europe and will defend it against neo-nazis and islamofascists.

Immigration is not genocide. I dont think current trends of immigration are going to go on until 2066, do you??? There are actions we can take now to calm things in the Middle East so people won't leave in the first place. Most Syrian refugees never wanted to leave, or they would have in 2011. But they didnt. They left because they had to.

Do you share Starter's concern of a "mongrelised race"?

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airclay said:

qman said:

airclay said:

not all euro's see it as victimization, only those looking to play the victim card when they see less and less of their own cultural hegemony and fall prey to xenophobic nonsense. it's much like you and your ideas about white cultural hegemony here in the us. so I can understand why you'd view it in that manner.

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Some don't see it as victimization, but that tide is turning very quickly. The EU economy has been down in the dumps for over a decade, unemployment and real wages have truly hurt the average citizen.  The high unemployment in the Muslim population doesn't help the situation, the governments can NOT afford to pay for their free basic needs forever.

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if you say so, I guess but, I don't agree with those opinions

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"xenophobic nonsense"

Is the reality of national security, domestic crime, economic recession and insolvent governments nonsense? No it's not, this is nothing to do with xenophobia, there are many justifiable reasons to start deporting these people, their safety is one of them.

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they are when you frame and word them so poorly. when you support action based on subjective traits of nationalistic otherness.

qman said:

"The men who carried out these attacks were politically educated..."

Oh were they, you keep digging your hole deeper by rationalizing and apologizing for terrorist acts against the West carried out by Muslims. Truly disgusting.  You will have blood on your hands one day along with the moron that wrote that dribble.

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To only quote that part of the sentence really strips it of it's intended context. Did your brain explode right there or do you not understand the second part of that sentence?

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airclay said:

what you find blame in and how you approach change are opinions tho, so pay attention to your wording again.

BTW it seems you still missed the point that these men were politically educated to the understanding they are as a result of these wars/actions.

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airclay said:

nope, I believe we should take a real look at how we respond to the acts socially and legally; at home and abroad to ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism.

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" ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism"

How does "we" create terrorism?  We don't. Is allowing millions of "refugees" from the ME into the EU and offering them residency and free social benefits creating terrorists? That's the ultimate humanitarian act of all-time, yet liberals like yourself are still pissing on the West for "creating more terrorism".

So once again the burden of accountability falls upon the West , of course we should examine our response, is that really the core issue at work here?  No, it's not.

Malkuthian said:

NO!

They are bad.
So they should not be allowed.
Kinda like drugs.
They are also bad.
We should not try to understand them, or peoples need for them, nor where they came from and what has caused the culture around them.
We should just ban them, cause then they disappear!

Obvious solution is obvious. Duh.

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Malkuthian said:

I never said we should bring in more Muslims anywhere,
that's just your straw man bullshit, because you obviously aren't intelligent enough to debate actual people and hence have to diminish those who oppose you to some sort of generalized group that per definition want what you oppose. "When the world isn't black and white and easy to understand, lets pretend it is". There, now you have a slogan.

In fact, I have still barley said anything about my position on the subject (partially because I do not have any firm opinion on how the problem should be handled). I have mostly opposed racist lunacy, conspiratorial idiocy, general misconceptions and half ass generalizations that doesn't imply nearly as much as claimed. This clearly gives you incentive to go full blown straw man. But....

...Just because I think you're a fucking idiot doesn't mean I am pro open boarders. I have stated that more then once in this thread but you keep coming back to the same lies about my position. This makes discussion impossible. I'm fed up with having to defend myself against these lies about my "horrible position".

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qman said:

airclay said:

nope, I believe we should take a real look at how we respond to the acts socially and legally; at home and abroad to ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism.

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" ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism"

How does "we" create terrorism?  We don't. Is allowing millions of "refugees" from the ME into the EU and offering them residency and free social benefits creating terrorists? That's the ultimate humanitarian act of all-time, yet liberals like yourself are still pissing on the West for "creating more terrorism".

So once again the burden of accountability falls upon the West , of course we should examine our response, is that really the core issue at work here?  No, it's not.

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airclay said:

qman said:

airclay said:

nope, I believe we should take a real look at how we respond to the acts socially and legally; at home and abroad to ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism.

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" ensure that by responding to terrorism we are not creating more terrorism"

How does "we" create terrorism?  We don't. Is allowing millions of "refugees" from the ME into the EU and offering them residency and free social benefits creating terrorists? That's the ultimate humanitarian act of all-time, yet liberals like yourself are still pissing on the West for "creating more terrorism".

So once again the burden of accountability falls upon the West , of course we should examine our response, is that really the core issue at work here?  No, it's not.

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You just aren't on the same page in Thi conversation. It's important to temper our responses and actions abroad because of these types of retaliatory attacks for our actions abroad. More of the same or even upping the ante in the same direction (anti Islamic/migrant xenophobia) will lead to more of what we see here.

I also not that you frame Muslims/migrants/ISIS together. Have you ever taken into account that isis biggest enemy is other Muslims? Look at who they've killed. It's isis against everyone not Isis against the west.

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